I’m seeing this debate and I’m a bit confused; basically a person was ordered to murder people and the person went through with it. But 1 side is saying that doesn’t make the person a murderer bc they were ordered by the govt to do it and that murder is the unlawful taking of life. Another is saying that it is murder regardless of legal definition bc the people are still dead by their hand, they’re just excused by the govt. Whose right here?

Wait, is this a real life story or a fictional one?

That being said, I am of the opinion that taking a life is always wrong. I’m a pacifist, so there’s that influencing my answer, but it doesn’t matter to me if the government authorizes it. Lots of governments have authorized horrific things throughout history. I consider gov’t people who condemn criminals to death no different than outlaw murderers. So for cases wherein people are sentenced to death, someone is carrying out the sentences, guards are complicit in it, lawyers, juries, judges, etc.

I think what would matter is not the label of what the person is. I think what matters is acknowledging that a life has been taken and that is horrible, no matter how awful or wonderful the victim might have been. They took a human life, no matter what, and that is wrong. They are, however, still a person themselves.

That being said, context like, does matter, and I think the focus
shouldn’t be on “you’re murderer so you’re not worth anything!” but
instead on understanding the crime and the perpetrator no matter their
role, and then on rehabilitation. The context of course matters a lot in terms of rehabilitation/their ability to understand what they’ve done. So that can’t be discounted.

A bit weird ask but which novels would you recommend or which ones would some hxh characters (gon, hisoka, killua, illumi, kurapika, chrollo, or maybe some else) enjoy?

Oh wow! This is a cool ask.

I can see Hisoka liking Vonnegut. I actually don’t much enjoy his work, with the exception of Mother Night (which is fantastic), but its zaniness seems up his alley. Cat’s Cradle, etc. Also, The Great Gatsby.

Illumi: I’m sorry, I think he would be a Jane Austen fan. Persuasion, Northhanger Abbey, Pride and Prejudice, all of it. He’s just usually sympathizing with the wrong characters and sobbing about putting family first. Also Don Quixote. I’m also giving him Little Women to imagine himself as Meg and the three siblings he actually acknowledges. And East of Eden.

Kurapika: Crime and Punishment. He’d be a big Russian Literature fan: Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, etc. I also think he should read Mother Night because of the line “we become what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be,” but it’s not dark enough for his tastes.

Chrollo: Also Russian Literature, but I think he’d really like more modern novels, like The Master and Margarita. I can see him wanting to adopt a Behemoth cat of his own. I can also see him reading Turgenev’s Fathers and Sons, which I had him read in a fanfiction because he needs to get its message drilled into his thick skull. Oh, and he’d like Les Miserables, and Forster’s Howard’s End.

Killua: The Kite Runner. He’d like sentimental yet beautiful stories that tell about the world’s ugliness and abuse, but also are ultimately hopeful. Middlemarch is another one I think he’d connect with, especially to the character of Dorothea.

Gon: Harry Potter? Mistborn? I think he’d like a lot of Sanderson’s books, and Lord of the Rings, Narnia, all those fantasy and sci-fi classics.

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I get them on Adagio Teas! Here is the link to the Banana Fish section! I can also give people $5 gift cards if they’re interested (I don’t get any money from this, for the record–it’s just for fun and for me to explore my love of teas lol–nor does giving the gift cards cost me anything because I use the site a lot so I have an account).

Why Dabi would be resentful or even jealous of Shoto? Clearly, Endeavor was abusive with his wife and children and not a nice guy to be around, so at least not putting up with his training from hell could have been a relief for the older siblings.

That’s not how abuse works, unfortunately. Neglect is just as painful and traumatizing as physical abuse and is itself a powerful type of emotional abuse. Natsuo pretty clearly states that Endeavor saw the three of them as “failures.” Growing up wherein your dad won’t even give you the time of day because he doesn’t see you as worthwhile because of a trait you were born with–that’s incredibly hurtful and could certainly breed resentment towards the child who gets all the attention, even if it is negative attention and itself abusive. That’s why many children act out–to get any attention, even negative attention. I don’t know how Dabi feels towards Shouto, but if he does feel resentful or even envious, that would not surprise me. He very likely might not, but he also quite possibly could, because abuse provokes a wide variety of responses. And of course, it’s not Shouto’s fault, but it’s a possible response. 

Do you think dabi pities or hates shouto?

I think Dabi does not know Shouto at all. I do think he is Touya, though.

But Endeavor definitely kept them apart, and I think the fact that Natsuo, who is the sibling closest in age to Shouto, did not even know Shouto’s favorite food until recently indicates Dabi/Touya probably knows Shouto even less well than Natsuo. Natsuo also says Endeavor took care that the three eldest would not be involved in Shouto’s life “at all.”

I think it’s possible Dabi thinks Shouto is a mini Endeavor in the making. I also think it’s possible he primarily pities his brother, since he clearly knows Shouto was abused, or both–they aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s possible he resents him for having all his father’s attention. It’s possible he doesn’t.

I think whatever Dabi thinks of Shouto, though, is not crafted in whom Shouto is. Instead, it’s crafted in terms of Shouto’s role in their family: victim, and their father’s chosen child. Maybe he gives one or the other extra weight, or maybe gives them both equal weight.

I hope they get the chance to know each other as actual people beyond their hero/villain dichotomy. I think they will.