Pale Fire Ch 7 “Tightrope”- Hamliet – ノラガミ | Noragami [Archive of Our Own]

Chapters: 7/12
Fandom: ノラガミ | Noragami
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Nora/Yukine, Iki Hiyori/Yato, Bishamonten | Vaisravana/Kazuma
Characters: Yukine (Noragami), Nora (Noragami), Yato (Noragami), Iki Hiyori, Bishamonten | Vaisravana (Noragami), Kazuma (Noragami), Fujisaki Kouto
Additional Tags: Romance, Alternate Universe – College/University, Alternate Universe – High School, Redemption, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse
Summary:

Both Yukine and Yato are trying to focus on building new lives–for Yukine, at high school, and for Yato, at college–but when Yato’s father shows up as his professor and a mysterious girl starts tailing Yukine at school, they find that it might not be so easy to escape their demons after all.

Pale Fire Ch 7 “Tightrope”- Hamliet – ノラガミ | Noragami [Archive of Our Own]

I have never seen a character which doesn’t give signs of redemption (like commited some taboo crimes like rape, for example, doesn’t have tragic backstory) in the beginning but gets redeemed in the end without it being forced. Since you like redemption arcs I was wandering has there been a character you hated with passion (like the one I mentioned) but his redemption affected you?

Sorry, I just want to clarify–do you mean characters who are not initially hinted at getting redemption arcs (like via a save the cat moment, or being originally a protagonist like Mutsuki in TG, or whatever) but then does get redeemed? That’s how I’m interpreting it; if that’s not what you meant please don’t hesitate to correct me!

I rarely hate characters with a passion, and the ones I do are almost always bad parent characters and/or people who hurt children. That being said, I’m not necessarily opposed to getting more from these characters since I don’t believe in monsters but in humans. 

I think it all comes down to how it is written and how it is framed. Redemption, like any other trope, is entirely dependent on how the author handles it. There’s no one right way to handle it, but when you can see the author’s hand moving things around it’s just not well written (certain characters from the last arc of Tokyo Ghoul come to mind with this. I wouldn’t even call those redemption arcs; they’re more like “nvm I like them so let’s ignore this issue”). Framing’s important, etc.  

So far, I think Endeavor in BNHA is one who comes to mind as someone who didn’t have an obvious redemption arc but is getting one. I don’t care for his character and I never will. The abuse he’s inflicted on his family is triggering, and I wasn’t excited for a redemption arc. I also think it could been better written because I do think the framing of Natsuo has swung wildly around and people who complained about it were not wrong to complain about it pre-192. That being said, I am interested in seeing where it goes especially if Dabi is Touya (and I think he is), and like Shouto, I am interested in seeing his actions as a father. I also did appreciate the variety of perspectives shown in chapter 192, and how not one was coded as the correct one. I hope Horikoshi will continue to frame it like that. If he does sacrifice everything to save his son from himself, I can see myself being moved, which is why I want it. 

Hi! I have a hxh question…what do you think Illumi and his siblings would be like if Illumi had escaped with them very early on using Nanika’s power (let’s pretend Illumi was more rebellious and defiant of how he was treated). So you have Illumi who is maybe fourteen (?) living with his four siblings who have mostly been spared from the abuse (except for Milluki and Killua). How do you think that would work out? What would the sibling’s feelings be about what Illumi or their parents did?

Oooh! Well, I kinda wrote about a similar scenario to this in my fic “Locked On”… it’s AU but it’s basically what I think would happen if illumi had to raise his siblings.

Looking for your opinion on this because I’m in a discord where quite a few people are discussing it. Do you think Historia’s character has been built up enough in the anime for her development in the cave to pay off? Even without the wall scene, her talk with Eren, and Levi intimidating her into becoming queen? Or do you think it’ll just fall on death ears for anime onlies not really understanding her character and the meaning of her decision in the cave? Would love to hear your thoughts!

Thank you for the ask! My answer is probably not what you wanted, but I hope it’s okay?

So, the short version is that I think there’s not much of a point in discussing it before we actually get there, and it depends on what anime onlys think–which manga readers simple won’t be able to predict. So, we’ll see what they think. 

Watching a manga you love be adapted is fundamentally a different experience than watching an anime first, and I think manga-readers can project their experiences onto anime onlys (and I think that’s likely what’s happening here). I prefer manga as a medium to anime the majority of the time, but it’s not like, inherently a lesser medium or a lesser way to tell the story; it’s just a different medium to convey the same themes/characters, etc. Of course bad adaptations do exist (looking at you, Tokyo Ghoul :re), but also Tokyo Ghoul and hell, Root A got me into the manga in the first place and yes, I did pick up on a lot of the themes the manga was conveying even if it was actually adapted poorly. 

All that to say, manga readers fretting over whether anime onlys will get something is something we can’t predict. It’s not as if manga readers have one coherent opinion on all the scenes. A story told well will definitely lessen the risk that someone would blatantly misread, but telling a story well via anime does have fundamental differences to telling a story well in a manga. 

For SnK specifically, I remember all the manga ppl nitpicking things in Annie’s arc, so I’m sure it’ll be the same with Historia’s cave scene even if it is well adapted… like “anime onlys will never understand this important nuance to her character without those three panels exactly adapted!” and like, I watched the anime before I read the manga and I did, in fact, get that nuance about Annie from the anime, because they found a different way to convey that nuance that better fit the medium. But because certain things are emphasized in the manga that aren’t in the anime, to a manga-reader watching it might feel like it’s been cheapened–because we’re used to looking for that moment in the manga, that wasn’t necessary for the anime medium.  

I’m sorry that this is kind of a non-answer! I hope it makes sense. But in short, we will see, and even if the anime doesn’t do it for many manga readers, it may not be because it’s a bad adaptation inherently but because we’re approaching with a different perspective. 

What are your thoughts about Tsuyu Asui (aka. Frog Girl)? She is one of the few characters that doesn’t have the light or a mini-arc (Even Koda had one) and we know that Horikoshi likes her (He draws her a lot). Sorry if this is bad written. I don’t write in english often

No need to apologize for your English; it’s written very well and there’s never a need to apologize for speaking more than one language! I should be praising you 😀

As for your question:

I LOVE TSUYU 

Ahem. Lol. I think Asui actually has more focus and more of an arc than almost any other female character besides Uraraka! It’s not perfect, of course, but I do think there is focus there.

Her role has to do with her being a friend to everyone in her class. She truly cares about everyone in it. We see that from the very beginning, when her first focus comes when she, Mineta, and Deku are fighting the villains in teh shipwreck zone. They work together and she ultimately saves both of them, and says this:

She praises them. Her chief defining trait is that loyalty and care for her classmates, but she also has, like Iida in some ways,a  desire to do the right thing, and in Tsuyu’s case it comes down to caring greatly about the wellbeing of her classmates–not just for the rules’ sake, but because she wants her classmates to be the best people they can be in every way. This comes out when she confronts the people who are planning to rescue Bakugou:

She then feels extreme worry for her friends and concern about her relationship with them. She truly, truly cares about them all, and her standing with them. She feels responsible for their wellbeing, and at the same time knows she needs to trust them:

She takes a very mature approach and explains to them what she’s feeling. Tsuyu is really the mom friend. And as a result of opening up, everyone talks acknowledges they’re anxious. Essentially, Tsuyu is in many ways at the heart of 1A as a class…

Which is why I think when the traitor, whomever they are, is eventually
revealed, it will devastate her, and I hope we might see more Asui
development from that struggle to come to terms with it.