Tserriednich will kill shizuka/ be involved with her death

megashadowdragon:

http://aminoapps.com/page/anime/5766327/the-fate-of-the-phantom-troupe shalnarks death parallels with the prophecy that he was given (“Do not make any phone calls.

When it matters most, you will be unable to reach anyone.

It would be unwise to answer the phone,

For the death-bringer will come calling one time in three.”

The man of the hour, the Troupe member who has died most recently and sparked the most theories about these poems. Let’s jump right in.

His fortune obviously says to avoid phone calls, so there’s no way to interpret that other than literally. The second line is the striking on here. “When it matters most [your time of death] you will be unable to reach anyone”. What that means, in my opinion, is that Togashi FORESHADOWED the fact that Shalnark would not have his Nen ability at the time of his death. 200 chapters later. Now, in the most recent chapter of HxH, you see Shalnark’s phone ring as Hisoka turns the corner and kills him. He was just on the phone with Chrollo right before the time of his death.

This was not discovered directly by me, but people have gone back and checked how many times Shalnark has used his phone since the time of his death. The answer is three. Meaning the ‘death-bringer’ (Hisoka) was destined to arrive on the third call and we didn’t even KNOW.

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 shalnarks fortune foreshadowing

( and remember the girl who originally had the ability always kept herself from hearing the prophecys she made so its possible that chrollo hearing the prophecys made the prophecys impossible to change/ longer lasting ) for shizukas prophecys “The calendar loses a precious component.

The remaining months gather to mourn.

You join your ally as an offering,

To keep him from being lonely.

You will find eternal rest in a room

Filled with black merchandise.

Beware solitude above all.

and black merchandise can refer to the merchandise of the black market that Tserriednich had ( and people died for them to be created) and the king referred to all the people on the boat as offerings and tserriednich is known killer of women so it would fit shizuka could die in his room

@hamliet @aspoonofsugar 

I definitely think this is a possibility. While we know prophecies can be changed and averted, Chrollo played close to his and hence it came to pass. I don’t know about Shalnark, but Shizuku recently asked Chrollo to read her fortune again, so perhaps she placed weight on it as well and therefore it could come to pass. But if so I do think it needs to be done carefully to contradict Chrollo’s fatalistic reasoning, which the series does thus far seem to condemn.

I also think it makes sense for Tserriednich to be involved. Thus far Chrollo is projecting all of his guilt onto Hisoka–this arc is calling him out for his cavalier attitude towards life and death by killing his troupe, which Hisoka has realized, and therefore while I do think he will lost more spiders I also think not all of them will be lost by Hisoka’s hands. I’m expecting Morena and her minions, given their extremely obvious parallels to Chrollo and his Troupe, to take down a spider or two. Tserriednich is also possible and would make sense from the point of view of calling Chrollo out for his all-too-often prioritizing treasure over people’s lives (he boarded the death boat in the first place to steal Tserriednich’s treasure), it’d challenge Chrollo in that he couldn’t project everything onto Hisoka, and it’d give Chrollo and Kurapika a common enemy.  

So, we’ll see. I do think it’s possible. 

The Burnouts Ch 8- Hamliet – Hunter X Hunter [Archive of Our Own]

Chapters: 9/15
Fandom: Hunter X Hunter
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Hisoka/Illumi Zoldyck, Kuroro Lucifer | Chrollo Lucifer/Kurapika, Phinks/Oito Hui Guo Rou, Feitan/Machi, Palm Siberia/Milluki Zoldyck
Characters: Hisoka (Hunter X Hunter), Killua Zoldyck, Illumi Zoldyck, Kuroro Lucifer | Chrollo Lucifer, Kurapika (Hunter x Hunter), Phinks (Hunter X Hunter), Oito Hui Guo Rou, Feitan (Hunter X Hunter), Machi (Hunter x Hunter), Palm Siberia, Milluki Zoldyck, Kalluto Zoldyck, Alluka Zoldyck, Tserriednich Hui Guo Rou, Leorio Paladiknight, Gon Freecs
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe – College/University, Enemies to Friends to Lovers, Redemption, Fake/Pretend Relationship, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Depression, Romance, Angst, Fluff
Summary:

When Illumi leaves the Zoldyck manor for a rickety old house occupied by Hisoka, Chrollo Lucilfer, and Chrollo’s group of friends, he expects a hellish semester. However, the more he gets drawn into Hisoka’s schemes, Chrollo’s frustrations with a red-eyed boy in his class, and Machi’s secret, he starts to realize hell might be where he came from, instead. College AU. Hisoillu, Kurokura, & some side ships.

The Burnouts Ch 8- Hamliet – Hunter X Hunter [Archive of Our Own]

This ask may have been eaten before so I’ll re send it- What did you think of the Circus Arc in Black Butler?

No worries! It majorly foreshadows a lot of the current arc–namely, that kids suffer and people don’t notice. It also has resounding consequences for Ciel that we’re probably seeing right now in the current arc. 

Ciel is very much a child with an egocentric view of the world despite his precociousness in other ways, which the Circus Arc reinforces. Egocentric by the way does not carry negative connotations nor imply anything of the sort in psychology; it’s just a way of noting that children have to realize that they are not at the center of the world, which every child does. It’s not malicious. It does however underline again that Ciel is a traumatized child who has no sense of self worth and believes he cannot come back from what happened to him and presumes the same for others when he really should not have. Undertaker is now returning consequences to Ciel in the current arc. Almost like killing kids… matters. 

Both Ciel’s and Undertaker’s views here are sympathetic, but whereas Ciel might give up too quickly in saving someone, Undertaker will like, go too far as we see in the current arc and there’s the question of what is a life worth living, which the Circus Arc raises and the current arc will likely explore in terms of R!Ciel’s status (like he’s not alive… so… what exactly is going on). 

Anyways, all that to say, it’s a very dark arc with a lot of narrative heft to it. 

It’s always a good day to cry for banana fish, as much as I wish I could treat it as just another work of fiction using similarities to the real world I just can’t, the type of abuse rings way too close to home for me and breaks my heart, ash will probably haunt me forever (Know that I’m praying for someone to put their feet down so your senate doesn’t rationalize/justify recent actions as “necessary for the good of the country”, sorry for getting political)

It is indeed! Answering under the cut for subject matter:

Yeah, Banana Fish from my understanding is unflinchingly honest in how abuse survivors cope. Abuse isn’t sugarcoated. I think many stories tend to either fall on the side of having abuse define victims, or “it has no effect at all and survivors can completely move on and forget it!” and honestly neither is really the case. Abuse, in particular the sexual abuse that is frankly prevalent in Banana Fish, has a serious affect on people. It is not something easy to recover from, and Banana Fish allows characters like Ash and Yut Lung their pain and their journeys. Even when they act out and use their pain to hurt others, the story carefully condemns the lashing out while still showing them compassion. 

I think it’s impressive that Banana Fish was written in the 1980s-90s and is still relevant today. I think it speaks volumes about the honesty and quality of the story, and its ability to impact people. It is a painful story and it is absolutely not for everyone since it’s filled to the brim with triggers and, of course, reflects some of its time period in terms of problematic stuff. But it rings home in a lot of ways, and so I’ve found it incredibly emotionally moving. The characters like Ash seem like real people, complex and capable of immense cruelty and also kindness, and are just people in the end begging to be protected and cared for because no one cared for them. They have a life to them that transcends the story’s boundaries, which is part of why I think the story still works today. Ash’s story is extreme but not out of the realm of reality, and he is never defined by his abuse (and neither is Yut Lung) despite its immense trauma and impact and influence, and that makes him a fantastic character. 

Also, thank you for those prayers, Anon, we need them. It’s been a really rough week for realizing just how little anyone actually cares about sexual assault victims. I’d even say that it doesn’t seem these lawmakers believe it’s wrong, which is all kinds of disturbing. 

Two Victims: Ash Lynx & Yut Lung Lee

Preface: I haven’t read the manga but I have a general idea of what happens though that doesn’t really factor into this meta. 

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Thank you for stating the obvious, Sing. 

Yut Lung Lee and Ash Lynx are pretty clearly established as foils. Yut Lung is 16, Ash is 17, and both of them are trapped in this system that created their trauma and cages them now, and both paradoxically seem to believe the only freedom is in death while wanting to survive. This quest to survive and to live free reflects itself in their respective relationships with Eiji, as well, as they both tread different paths (currently): Ash is determined to fight until he escapes and makes vital connections with loved ones, whereas Yut Lung closes himself off because he believes there is no hope of escape, so instead he fixates on revenge.

It kind of all comes down to this scene, in which Yut Lung offers Ash a choice that the story seems to be continually offering its characters:

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This scene sets up the choices both of these foils are making in that it asks Ash to make a choice in an escape, and explicitly tells him that there is no way out of a literal torture house if he prioritizes revenge. But if he prioritizes saving the people he cares about (Eiji, Max, Ibe, also Shorter’s body), then he can escape. Yut Lung makes the opposite choice, leaving Dino’s house only to return to his brothers, because he is currently prioritizing revenge.

Everything about Yut Lung and Ash appears to be an inverse of the other, from their appearances to their family situations.

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Yut Lung comes from a family of power. Ash comes from nothing–a runaway. Yut Lung’s brothers abuse him and pimp him out to creeps, and his mother whom he’s implied to have loved deeply was murdered by these brothers. Ash’s brother raises him, and his biological father abandons him and his adoptive father figure (Dino) abuses him and pimps him out to creeps. Ash is rash, active, rebellious openly; Yut Lung is methodical, outwardly passive, and subtly manipulative. Ash is expected to rise in leadership; Yut Lung is not. Ash just wants to escape but doesn’t believe he can and essentially wants to fight until he dies; Yut Lung wants to burn it all down from the inside, and himself with it.

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This manifests itself in their different responses to Eiji as well. Ash repeatedly tries to get Eiji to leave him. Ash wants Eiji to run.

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But Yut Lung’s advice to Eiji is to accept it and assimilate.

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We also know Yut Lung both resents and covets Eiji–or an Eiji-like figure, someone who can care about him no matter what–which Yut Lung seems to view as a kind of freedom within a cage.

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And Yut Lung finds himself giving similar advice to a foil for Eiji (and for himself, and for Ash): Sing. Sing is already a part of the world Yut Lung lives in, and yet Yut Lung tells him he does not want him treading deeper into his world.

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But Yut Lung then seems disappointed when Sing acquiesces–leaving precisely to maybe seek revenge on Ash, as Sing tells Yut Lung, instead of staying with him. 

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Sing in some respects seems to be both an Eiji potential figure to Yut Lung, but also a younger brother, giving Yut Lung the opportunity to be a protective brother figure like his brothers should have been for him, instead of abusing him. However, Yut Lung’s plans to work from the inside to destroy things make me highly skeptical that he isn’t going to slowly find himself becoming more and more like the brothers he hates, especially if he keeps pushing people away and repressing his emotions (more on the repression in a moment).

As for Ash, we’re recently seen him struggling with that choice Yut Lung gave him yet again, and when he veers closer to the revenge aspect as well, the story punishes him for it and points out that he, too, is becoming like the people he hates. Eiji calls him out on it in the most recent episode.

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Murdering people begging for mercy is something that the people Ash hates would do. Revenge is something that perpetuates an abusive cycle rather than letting you escape it.

But Ash comes closest to escaping when he’s vulnerable, when he reveals his emotions, specifically with Eiji.

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Yut Lung is too focused on revenge to open up to Sing, or to anyone. Ash expresses his emotions in tears such as in the above scene whereas Yut Lung represses. This scene with Shorter is so fascinating (as @aspoonofsugar pointed out to me) because we know from Yut Lung’s monologue that he agrees about the older Lee clan.

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But Yut Lung can’t say what he feels. Shorter is the one who cries, but his tears fall on Yut Lung’s face. Yut Lung relies on others to do the emotional work, whereas Ash usually expresses his emotions even if not in the best of ways.

Continuing along these lines, if we return to the scene wherein Sing tells Yut Lung he hates Ash because he is just like Ash, we see again that Yut Lung both hates Ash for being able to express the emotions he cannot, and also envies him. 

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Like Eiji with Ash on his murder gang war spree, Sing calls Yut Lung out on being what he doesn’t want to be. Yut Lung wants to be close to people, and it’s that want that gives me hope for him. 

Ash’s ability to express his emotions connects him with people, and he wears his heart for the people he cares about on his sleeve, perhaps a bit unwisely even at times as it’s a weakness everyone notes. 

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But the tragic irony of the situation is that while Ash is desperate to protect his friends, he’s not to protect himself. He repeatedly puts himself in danger for the sake of helping his loved ones and for revenge as well. That’s another trait Ash and Yut Lung share: neither of them appear to believe they deserve to live. 

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They hate themselves, probably as a result of the way they are repeatedly abused and commodified by their abusers. Like, these scenes are clear parallels in that they occur in adjacent episodes. Both are forced to dress up to please Dino’s sick desires. 

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Ash heads down this path with Banana Fish out of a desire to find out what happened to his brother and a desire to stick it to Golzine, but the people around him routinely complicate this and ask him to deviate to save them, but in saving them Ash has the opportunity to save himself. However, he’s yet to fully realize what it offers. The ability to love people matters, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Yut Lung have to make a similar choice at some point if he actually develops care for someone. 

Both of them are afraid to live, because they aren’t sure they deserve to. And if Ash and Yut Lung are afraid to live, so is Eiji. But unlike the former two, Eiji has the chance to live free. Ash, because he connects with Eiji, admires this.

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Yut Lung, who refuses to open up to anyone, appears to resent it. 

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The thing is, regardless of their choices, their loved ones will always be in danger if they dare to have them. Eiji is kind of like a symbolic light in that he knows the danger of caring for Ash and for the others around him, but he chooses to do this anyways, and in doing so, in taking that risk, he is ironically freer than he was before. Sing, though his character has not been fully delved into just yet, also seems to care deeply for people (like Shorter) despite knowing the risks. 

Because of their trauma, we know why Ash is terrified of keeping Eiji close, and why Yut Lung refuses to allow anyone close. But if they want to ever break free, they’ll have to figure out how to take this risk and in doing so, they won’t be able to pursue revenge anymore since the story couldn’t be clearer that the two choices do not go hand in hand. Yet their struggle to do so is again so sympathetic and so understandable, because they are both traumatized children, and it’s heartbreaking and highlights the horror and lifelong effects sexual abuse can have. which is, given current events in the US, perhaps a message certain politicians should hear

This has been stewing in my head ever since Post-Dragon Kaneki and the strange way his body works. I have a theory that what’s going on with Kurona is actually a “cruder” version of the Dragoneki transformation. Kaneki consumed a whole bunch of people who have the same kagune as him, and emerged with his biology altered from it. Kurona absorbed her twin sister, who not only has the same kagune, but the same DNA (Kurona and Nashiro are identical twins, right?) Her mutations are very Dragoneki-ish

Oooooooooh! I quite like this idea! 

What are your thoughts on Blavat?

He is charismatic and interesting as a character, but I don’t like him. I have a history with cult leaders and so I’m biased against his character from the onset; that being said, I am curious about him. How much of a fanatic is he? How much of him is being manipulated? What even is he? 

I have a lot of questions for him.

The Burnouts Ch 7- Hamliet – Hunter X Hunter [Archive of Our Own]

Chapters: 8/15
Fandom: Hunter X Hunter
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Hisoka/Illumi Zoldyck, Kuroro Lucifer | Chrollo Lucifer/Kurapika, Phinks/Oito Hui Guo Rou, Feitan/Machi, Palm Siberia/Milluki Zoldyck
Characters: Hisoka (Hunter X Hunter), Killua Zoldyck, Illumi Zoldyck, Kuroro Lucifer | Chrollo Lucifer, Kurapika (Hunter x Hunter), Phinks (Hunter X Hunter), Oito Hui Guo Rou, Feitan (Hunter X Hunter), Machi (Hunter x Hunter), Palm Siberia, Milluki Zoldyck, Kalluto Zoldyck, Alluka Zoldyck, Tserriednich Hui Guo Rou, Leorio Paladiknight, Gon Freecs
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe – College/University, Enemies to Friends to Lovers, Redemption, Fake/Pretend Relationship, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Depression, Romance, Angst, Fluff
Summary:

When Illumi leaves the Zoldyck manor for a rickety old house occupied by Hisoka, Chrollo Lucilfer, and Chrollo’s group of friends, he expects a hellish semester. However, the more he gets drawn into Hisoka’s schemes, Chrollo’s frustrations with a red-eyed boy in his class, and Machi’s secret, he starts to realize hell might be where he came from, instead. College AU. Hisoillu, Kurokura, & some side ships.

The Burnouts Ch 7- Hamliet – Hunter X Hunter [Archive of Our Own]

What are your thoughts on Lizzie? I really love how she is facing her feelings right now, all the growth she will have by the time this arc is over will be astounding.

I was proud of her for realizing that her love was an illusion she used to comfort herself, but I also feel it was only a partial revelation and another one will be coming, and I’m excited for it. Lizzie is a Good Female Character, I’ll fight anyone who says otherwise. 

See, illusions have always been a calling card for Lizzie’s character, in that she’s lied about who she is as well to get Ciel to like her by pretending to be weak. I hope she realizes that the situations are basically inverses of each other soon, because she needs to. R!Ciel is an illusion himself right now, probably not actually alive (I think?), and also his persona is most likely an illusion itself. The only thing that’s real about him is his name. 

I am also glad she does not see the twins as interchangeable (thank God) and also realizes that she doesn’t really love or know R!Ciel. I think that will be vital as well, because R!Ciel is still dead somehow and also is currently acting truly awful and quite possibly was manipulated into having his family attacked. She didn’t know O!Ciel’s true identity, of course, but I do think she knew quite a bit more of him than she ever knew of R!Ciel. Yes, there are things he keeps from her, quite a bit of them, and that’s wrong, but I don’t feel like everything is a lie. It’s up to her to decide whether or not that matters. I hope it will. 

The illusions idea ties into the theme of conforming to expectations vs being yourself, which has been a persistent theme in Black Butler with Sieglinde, O!Ciel, Lizzie, etc. They all have roles they see themselves as needing to fill, but these roles are really prisons that limit them from truly realizing their own power and how close they can become with other people. Soma ties into this as well, but he’s done a far better job of escaping from it currently, which is why I really hope he has A Talk with Sieglinde and Lizzie when he realizes R!Ciel killed Agni and not O!Ciel. But the manga is also fairly sympathetic to the idea of expectations because you don’t really have a choice about the role you’re born into, but it’s not really responsible to just shrug it off either. So there’s a tension there and I think Lizzie is starting to explore just that.  

What are your thoughts on Francis? I really love her character and think her and Madam Red foil each other and am really excited to see her childhood and relationship with Lizzie, Vincent, Claudia, and Tanaka.

They do. I enjoyed Madam Red’s character, but the difference is that instead of succumbing to tragedies and letting it consume her until she took it out on everyone else, Francis fought back from the beginning. She’s a tough lady and I love her. 

I really, really want to see more of her, and I also want to see her reaction to this whole damn mess. Please talk to your daughter and your nephews.