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Even Satan got a tragic backstory so we could understand why the light-bringing angel fell from grace and people on the internet are complaining about the possibility of character development for Kylo Ren. 

On one hand when you say it like that ………

But on the other hand lucifer didn’t kill Han Solo, Kylo Ren did.

So “killing Han Solo” is worse than being the literal Devil and the evil incarnate in occidental culture. I love tumblr’s moral alignment. It’s hilarious and more chaotic that Kylo Ren’s behavior in The Force Awakens.

“Kylo Ren is the worse than the actual devil” –Tumblr dot com

“Better to be the Father of Lies than the dude who killed Han Solo, lmao.”

– John Milton, Paradise Lost, Book One, Line 263

I’ve never seen such a succinct and transparent explanation of why certain quarters don’t like the idea of a redeemed Kylo: he killed somebody they thought was cool when they first watched the films when they were 7, and that’s unforgivable. Apparently

It all comes down to Han Solo. Never mind the fact that Kylo immediately regretted that decision after (which Adam Driver conveyed perfectly, I might add – but apparently some people need to be spoon-fed because subtext and micro-expressions aren’t enough of a give away.) 

Or the fact that he admits to feeling the pull to the Light/being torn apart.

Or the fact that he’s a victim of child grooming and years of manipulation/conditioning thanks to Snoke. 

Or the fact that he’s Han and Leia’s son and people should absolutely want him to have a redemption arc and for Han’s death to have meaning – for Han to have, in the end, succeeded in what he set out to do when he confronted Kylo: bringing Ben home.

But no. Kylo Ren killing ~Han Solo~ is so unforgivable that it makes him worse than Satan.

People do realise that –if Ford had had his say– Han wouldn’t even have survived RotJ, right? Ford was giddy for Han to die a meaningful death.
Which he did! (You might say… The Ford willed it, so who is the true villain here :P)

Kylo/Ben immediately regretted his decision (as was already stated above) and realising that he was very much not at ‘peace’ with killing his father as he made himself believe beforehand added to the character’s conflict.
I don’t think it is a mere coincidence that Snoke wants Kylo to be brought to him as soon as possible. The old snake probably felt that conflict ripple through the force (that snitch!) and needs to make sure that his dominance/grip will not falter. Which of course it will, because Snoke is the Sauron/Palpatine of the new triology and I can’t wait for him to go up in flames.

So yeah, Han’s death might have turned Ben into the direction of his way back home. If one of the coolest scoundrels who ever lived had to die, I am glad his death will have the desired goal: Getting that boy home back to his mother, resulting Han to make good on his promise.

And by saying that a redemption arc is stupid and Kylo being worse than Satan… you just spat into your dead heroes face!

I’ve always thought the entire purpose of Han’s death is to set forth the redemption arc. This “wicked act” had to happen and Kylo had to do it. Kylo’s crimes needed to be personal for the audience–which is why I think there is something BIG planned for Kylo to redeem himself in all our eyes. I love Kylo and he is by far the most interesting to me, but he is still responsible for his crimes. Han will succeed in bringing Ben home (just not right away) and he won’t die for nothing, that would be the cruelest thing to do to us fans–and Leia!! Anyway, I can’t see them letting Han’s death be meaningless. I would bet money on a redemption arc–and Satan can kiss my ass 😘

I think it’s also the fact that an integral part of many redemption arcs is that the person in question has to “achieve” the goal they thought they wanted, so that they can then realize how hollow it is, and empty. 

It’s literally how it is for Zuko from ATLA; Zuko betrays his uncle (his true family) in the second act so that he can get into the good graces of his abusive father and be the perfect son his father wanted. But when he reaches that goal, he realizes he’s more unhappy and unfulfilled than ever, and the guilt eats him alive. And this is in fact the catalyst that propels Zuko to leave the life he spent years trying to earn in order to help the scrappy band of rebels he’s been hunting for three years defeat the evil empire he was once a part of. Sound familiar? Storytelling. It repeats.

In a way, I think Han had to die, because it is the only thing shocking enough to pull Ben out of the leagues of indoctrination and delusion that he is under. It is the only thing that will burn bright enough to incinerate the lies Ben has told himself to keep his persona of Kylo Ren intact– that his parents would never forgive him, that his father doesn’t care for him, that they don’t want him home, that love is not one lone candle is enough to hold back the dark. All of the crimes Ben has already committed, every razed village, every innocent dead at his hands, have not been enough to sway him. So, logically, what would? What would be so cutting that it would vivisect the marrow of everything Ben is and is trying to be and thinks he wants? Without Han’s sacrifice, Ben could have probably continued for years thinking that this next raid, this next massacre, would finally slake the Light inside him. But killing Han was supposed to be the ultimate test. If that didn’t achieve total darkness for Ben, if he still feels the knifeblade of his conflict and his regret and the ever pulsing light, then nothing will slake those feelings inside of him. And he too has to understand that. Maybe not immediately. But it will haunt him until he admits it to himself. 

This is barring looking at Han’s death from any sort of moral perspective, but I’m just saying– from a storytelling perspective, it had to happen, and it was perfectly placed for the narrative it is ultimately serving.

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