Tag: yoshimura eto

About the in their bellies thing Eto said. I always assumed that it was because Arima was a part of V. Maybe because you cant see whats in your stomach? Given recent chapters as well she could know that CCG eats dead investigators and at the time was hoping for Kaneki to kill Arima. Maybe a jab at the fact they eat their own people? Anyone’s best guess though.

Ahhh, I like both these! I was thinking about the link to the recent reveal about the Washuu eating the dead investigators as well! Great thoughts; thank you for sharing! 

I went and looked at Eto stuff on your blog (because Eto) and found an old Anon Ask that inspired me, about Eto and Saiko having parallels. The ask covered the part about Eto being the first kagune-shaping master we saw in TG, and Saiko as the second. Your reply mentioned that they’re both tiny and badass, and cut their long hair off as a significant/symbolic act. I’d take that a step further, and say that they both have similar haircuts when short-haired, and hair texture looks similar. CONT->

Part 2 of Eto/Saiko parallel ask. The real heart of their similarity in parental baggage. Eto hates Kuzen, for valid reasons. We’ve seen the results of her resentment on gruesome display. On the other hand, I bet she loved her father figure Noroi. Her animating him as a kagune zombie might have been something she did when she was younger: a desperate attempt to keep “daddy” alive. With Saiko, her mother basically sold her to have a life-altering surgery, and I think Saiko resents it deeply. CONT

Part 3 Eto/Saiko (whew long ask!) Saiko probably has a number she could call and knows where Mom lives, but she’s cut all ties and the QS are her family. That’s deep resentment. She loves Haise/Ken as “Maman”, and is willing to even do things she knows are wrong to protect her family. They have opposite motivators, though. Eto is driven by hatred of the world, and sows destruction, and her found family in Aogiri almost all die for it. Saiko stops sleeping for love’s sake, and they’re alive, -1.

Ahhh, interesting thoughts! I’d say it’s really hard to tell with Saiko since we never really get inside into what she’s thinking, and I honestly don’t know if she cut ties or her mother just never contacts her :/ I hope Saiko’s stopped sleeping but again, the lack of internal conflict makes it hard to tell (I’m bitter over Saiko’s lack of an arc). I think her way of relating to Kaneki though is very different than Eto’s way of relating to Kuzen (because Kaneki’s a parental figure who also abandoned her) in that she seeks to be close to him when she gets the chance, while V did not even give Eto that opportunity, which is why I love that Eto’s destroying V now. 

You might have gotten an ask about this previously so forgive me, but what do you think Eto’s role will be in this alliance? Interestingly enough, her and Arima will be on opposite sides this time since no doubt V has obtained his body. Another nice point is the fact that she’s a good representation for the alliance as a natural born one eyed ghoul.

No worries, you can ask me anything! 

She is, and she’s also representative of a life V would never allow to exist since they were so interested in hunting her down. I think a lot of what her role will be depends on what she has been up to/what exactly happened in Cochlea (I hope we find out soon!) But I think she’ll want the alliance to succeed, and I would like her to realize, somehow, that not everything has to be burned to the ground for the world to start again.

Ok but eto was actually fighting kaiko i was surprised what’s her goal now? Does that mean we might get my two angry green haired children that hate their fathers going in on v together?

I think the part where she attacked the CCG was because Donato was controlling her with the cross, but now her head is back so she can think properly and make her own decisions. I’m still a biiiit confused but that’s my best guess. Anyways, Eto hates V and has always wanted to fuck them up so my guess is her goal is to do just that!

is the other green bean mutsuki

Kaneki, Ui and Hirako might kept Arima’s true intentions to themselves bc a) they have no proof, and b) out of some attempt to “protect Arima’s reputation/memory” but I bet my ass Eto would give 0 fucks about “CCG’s honor” and just. Straight up tell everyone that yes, Arima and her were co-conspirators and she can prove it to you. Maybe get a megaphone. I mean, her grand plan has gone to shit bc Furuta, she might decide that dropping twenty years worth of true bombs is worth the fallout.

Yes, and that’s what I’m hoping for! Eto dumping some clear explanations onto everyone about what’s been going on and their hypocrisy. Eto I have missed you, green goblin queen.

In the latest chapter we have parallels to the fights Furuta vs Eto and Kaneki vs Arima in Cochlea arc. How you think what Ishida meant by that?

We also had a parallel in Amon’s last goodbye to Donato with Juuzou’s goodbye to Big Madam! 

I think Ishida likes parallels. But I think specifically for the Furuta parallels he’s showing us that Furuta has learned no more than Kaneki has, and Furuta is trapped by the narrative sentiment that trapped Kaneki too. 

Remember Furuta’s defeat of Eto was symbolic of him stealing the narrative from her–Kaneki in :re was following the role of the Nameless King in King Bileygr, Eto’s novel, and Furuta undermined that by grabbing the narrative reins and turning the king show and Goat into a disaster for the entirety of Tokyo. So essentially, having Kaneki take Eto’s place right now is symbolically offering Kaneki the chance to take back the narrative reins of his own life, should he want to do so. But should he do so, he ought to tear down that goddamn throne because Kaneki as a protagonist (his way of envisioning himself a protagonist at least) has not led to any good in the story. Breaking out of his narrative coping mechanism is the only way for him to avoid tragedy since we’ve seen him do poorly both as a tragic protagonist in part 1 (self-fulfilling prophecy) and as a protagonist Eto wrote. 

If Kaneki accepted Eto’s role after he defeated Arima, this is his chance to tear down that role. That’s what I believe Ishida is setting up, as taking control of his own life is after all a good way of accepting responsibility, as Kaneki said. 

Kaneki is far from being furuta :/ even if a person pass through the same experience that does nos mean they are gonna be the same because people reacts in different ways to trauma,though I do think kaneki Will show mercy to furuta because that’s just the way he is I don’t think It’s fair to say that kaneki is furuta

I disagree, though I understand what you’re saying. I’ll try to explain what I mean.

TG is all about breaking down the dichotomy between black and white, good and bad. The point isn’t “let’s condemn this character” but rather, I could have been this character. Like with the Shironeki and Shiromutsuki phase, it was not “Kaneki=good and Mutsuki=bad” but instead it was to show us how perspective changes things. We sympathized with Kaneki’s actions because we didn’t know his victims. When we did know Mutsuki’s victims, we were horrified. But we know Mutsuki’s and Kaneki’s actions were rooted by the same fears and desires for strength and to protect what they had.

With Kaneki and Furuta, they are both driven by a desperate desire to be loved and yet the feeling and belief that they are unlovable. 

So Kaneki copes by: I will never be loved, maybe if I die a hero people will love/regret not loving me.

Furuta copes by: I will never be loved, so I’ll die a villain and punish the world for not loving me.

They both structure their lives around narratives. 

Furuta’s never been shown compassion. Not by anyone. Maybe Ami but she seemed like a pretty self-serving person herself so, I wouldn’t even say that. Kaneki has, and that’s the key difference–he had Hide. Furuta never even had the chance to be loved thanks the Sunlit Garden. His own father didn’t know what he looked like. And Eto picked up on that. The reason Furuta lashed out at her was because she called him on his daddy issues.

And Eto is of course a Kaneki foil and a Furuta foil as well (I mean, Eto had her own pain from not being able to address her father and hated the world because of it). So these characters all highlight aspects of each other, and show us what makes the difference that keeps us from seeing them the same way. Eto’s abduction and subsequent torture and experimentation on Kanae is not inherently very much different than what Furuta did to Rize. But the reason Kaneki is not following the same path as Eto or Furuta is because again, he had Hide, he had love, and neither Eto nor Furuta had that. And between Eto and Furuta, the difference is Eto’s father cared for her, though she didn’t know it, and for that reason the audience is drawn more to Eto. But Furuta? His father like he says didn’t even know what he looked like.

The point when reading Furuta isn’t to be like “what a bad dude, Kaneki’s so much better” but rather to realize that Kaneki could have been Furuta but for the intervention of Hide (and later, others like Touka, Anteiku, etc.). Because they are driven by the same basic desires and structure their lives to cope similarly. That’s what I mean when I say Kaneki needs to realize Furuta is him. Not that he did the same things, but that he could have, and in a world like TG wherein every single character has done awful things, realizing that you are not inherently different than anyone else or “better than” any choice goes a long way towards establishing revolutionary empathy… which after all is supposed to be the main answer to the series as like one of the earliest chapters told us.

Really that kind of empathy is the only way for the world to move forward.

Also, If it’s okay with you, I’d really like to read more about how Yoshimura failed not only as a real father to Eto but also as a foster Dad to the Anteiku underlings.

No worries!

So, with Eto. Yoshimura killed Eto’s mother, Ukina, because V told him to. Doesn’t matter that he felt he had no choice; it’s still wrong and he clearly never forgave himself for it either. He then abandoned Eto to be raised by Noro in the 24th ward, an extremely difficult upbringing that led to Eto engaging in cannibalism. We’re given every indication that Eto resents her father: she captures him in the end to be mined by Kanou, and why wouldn’t she resent him? Eto’s not that old. She’s most likely younger than Renji. If Yoshimura wanted to seek her out, he could have. Yes, we know that he didn’t because he was afraid of V finding her, but think about how she must have felt to see her father take in other ghouls like Yomo and Touka and to have never sought her out.

I think Eto’s pain over her parents is quite clear in her arc; Kaneki himself concludes that Takatsuki Sen is angry and bitter at the world, and her works such as The Black Goat’s Egg contain children who hate their parents yet become like their parents. Every child in this story wishes their parents chose them over others. Yoshimura did not; therefore the story tells us he failed as a parent.

With the Anteiku underlings, he basically wanted to die in the end to atone because life is evil.

Yomo even says they’re dying to atone for their sins. And Irimi and Koma–he just let them join him in doing this. Touka wanted to join him too and would have if Yomo hadn’t stopped her. Considering the main theme of the series is “live” that’s pretty much condemned by the stories standards (notably, none of them die then too; the story says ‘no way will your deaths actually atone for anything’).

And he encouraged Touka to hate her ghoul side, just like Arata did. Again, the “live is evil” shtick. Even humans hurt each other when they live, but Yoshimura encouraged shame around being a ghoul and Touka did not need that as she already hated that part of herself. His attitude towards Touka after she kills the investigators is “whatever happens to her now is not our concern.” There’s accepting consequences–good–and refusing to help a hurting child, which is not good.

Basically: Yoshimura forgot forgiveness is a thing. Like the tragedy in Anteiku was more about forgetting forgiveness is a thing, and the tragedy in hte 24th ward was more about forgetting accountability is a thing. To have a just world, you need mercy. To have a merciful world, you need justice. Both forgiveness and accountability play a role, and Yoshimura’s failure to acknowledge that is tragic.

His vision was a good one, and he was a wise and kind man and I really like him as a character, but he had flaws and they were very tragic and had devastating consequences. Because of his narrow sight, he wasn’t able to overcome tragedy. It’s fitting that Touka, who parallels Yoshimura in :re, has :re, the new Anteiku, burned down. They can’t go back there. They can’t go back to the status quo. They have to forge a new future instead.