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Which tarot do you think Kaneki and the cast are on right now? It feels like we’re on Sun honestly. The description states: The card portends good fortune, happiness, joy and harmony. It represents the universe coming together and agreeing with your path and aiding forward movement into something greater: which sounds a lot like Kaneki moving out of his mindset that his life is tragic and into good fortune that things are coming together.

I feel fairly confident we are at the world! I think the Torii Gates and alliance were the Sun–he had an important realization and there was a brief stall in fighting. Additionally Kaneki has made his Judgement decision that his life is not a tragedy, and it’s not a coincidence we see this:

I really think this is where Kaneki’s arc has been completed. He understands and feels fulfilled, which is what the world as a card is all about. With three more chapters, I do really think this is the world and the end of the story. Whether or not we get an extended epilogue, the main journey (driven by Kaneki’s internal conflict) is over, and it was a journey Kaneki himself says was worth taking.

I’m in denial about Furuta. No way this beautiful fruit boi is gonna end up like this. Soo, what do you think that white line means? It’s going upwards, SO THERE’S HOPE FOR US YET. And those thorns/spikes in his body? Does that mean Kek finished him off or is it something else? I’M SO SAD I JUST CAN’T (ಥ﹏ಥ)

*Hugs you*

I do think Fruit is gone, sadly. But I think in the end, he might have seen that it didn’t have to be like this, that he didn’t have to have everything matter for naught, but it came to naught for him precisely because he thought nothing would matter. It’s the ultimate tragedy, and I’m broken-hearted. But if he did indeed see that in the end–as his flashback seems to imply–that I believe implies there was some hope and some peace for him, and that matters a lot for me. And also hopefully he realized that it wasn’t all for nothing–V is going down. He did break the cage. Even his own actions counter his nihilism, and that’s good. 

I think the thorns/spikes might actually be DragonRizeWall nomming him. 

kaneki talked about how life wasn’t meaningless because he was able to gain friends, teachers, a lover, etc. from all of his experiences, so that made everything worthwhile, but like, he’s always had people who care about him? whereas furuta… didn’t. i know i’m being particularly salty towards kaneki, but life’s a lot easier when you’re actually loved and i felt that his speech was bad timing. a character is going to die, i want more words from THEM, not him. /endsalt

So, I will state that while I found Kaneki’s development and speech beautiful, and was happy, that is my complaint thematically. Is the message live, even if it isn’t stylish? Or is it live, as long as you are loved and can connect? Is it love that gives life meaning, or is life worth it just because it is? Or is love what Kaneki chose to give his life meaning, but what about how desperately seeking love has led to Bad Things for Hairu, Mutsuki, etc.? What if you truly aren’t loved, not by anyone? Is there hope then? Should you live?

It’s possible the manga just isn’t going for that theme, but I think it’s been handled a bit messily if so. Like I don’t have a problem but I think the importance of connection would have been more meaningful if emphasized more. We’ll see how the next three chapters handle it, though.

“The world isn’t wrong, it just is”. What did Kaneki mean by this? That even though there are forces in the world that disturb the system like Washuu, and V, the world is still a horrible place regardless but you can only live with it? I don’t even know if that makes sense. Does this mean the entire point of the cast struggling to make people is pointless and they should all go live their lives doing whatever?

Not exactly. It’s existentialism, essentially, which makes me very happy since I’m quite existentialist. The (very basic) premise is that life does not have any inherent meaning. The world is not right, the world is not wrong, it just is. Life is what you make of it. Your choices matter. Like, the world is pretty fucked up in TG; I think we all know that, and it needs to be reset. But that doesn’t mean it has to be a tragedy for Kaneki. Furuta was more embracing nihilism, which is “well, everything’s just pointless in the end.” (That’s overly simplified but yeah. Nihilism is kinda a subbranch of existentialism but it’s one I Do Not Like.)

Now, where I quibble is that Furuta didn’t have very many choices, and while the manga does emphasize this it could have been emphasized more clearly in this chapter. I also think Kaneki’s acceptance of it could have led to a better realization that, well, if I don’t like how the world is, maybe I should change it. Because he does have the power to do so. That’s probably going to happen with Rize, though.

why did furuta say at the end, ‘i just know it will’? i feel like there’s a deeper meaning that i’m missing, or is that last statement just his way of peacefully accepting that he won’t get to live to become old, won’t marry rize, won’t start a family, and all of the other things he wanted to do as part of the ‘normal’ life he wanted to live but couldn’t?

He was saying it would be fun to raise a family and be a grandpa :’‘‘)

I’m crying over the yin/yang Fururize. But anyways. Yes, it seems like he’s accepting it right here, and it looks like he’s in the same Torii Gate place Kaneki and Rize were earlier. I think it symbolizes he found some kind of peace or hope in the end–even if it won’t come to fruition (pun intended).

I’m really curious on your thoughts. What makes you believe a third part would be more of the same and that the character development would feel forced? Like what if everyone else became the primary focus while Kaneki took a backseat since his arc is finished? It’s very clear that the characters are nowhere near close to conclusion honestly.

Well, the crux of TG has always been Kaneki’s internal conflict. It’s what drives the story. If that’s over, well, I guess we could have a manga about everyone else, and I’d be okay with that, but it’d be a very drastic change from what made Tokyo Ghoul, Tokyo Ghoul if that makes sense? If he wants to write on the Qs I might consider it (and like I’ve said I’d probably check in every now and then but not like, get excited over spoilers), but if he had Mutsuki and Urie as MCs of :re, which he did, then he should finish their stories here imo because then I can’t really trust him to do it the next time. Even in Part 1 the arcs were largely concluded, albeit tragically. Like I’ve said even a few weeks ago that I would take a part 3 with Saiko and the new Qs, but Mutsuki and Urie’s stories should finish here.

I really like where Kaneki ended up, but it would have been more powerful imo if we’d seen more of how he reached that place. Like if we’d seen him mention the Oggai at all. Right now it looks like eating children is a cure for depression, and that’s just… obviously not what Ishida is going for. I think it could have been written clearer.

People in the fandom really, really, really need to stop trying to tell others how to feel.

Like for real. You want a part 3? I am sincerely glad for those people. You don’t? That’s fine too. You think it’s editor interference? There’s evidence for that. You think it’s planned? That’s fine! Let people feel what they feel, for god’s sake.

No matter what I am grateful for the story we have and the friends I’ve
made discussing it, and to Ishida for giving us this powerful story that literally saved me.

But I’m not happy with this at all.. And I don’t have to be. Everything I say in an answer to an ask is my opinion. State your own opinion, but don’t tell others they’re wrong or bad for having theirs.

Also if you spent all last week salting about a THREE YEAR OLD meta written by someone who isn’t even involved in the fandom anymore, you kinda don’t have a pedestal from which to judge ppl for being unhappy with the news.

Let people express their thoughts and stop telling them they’re wrong to feel how they feel.