I think that Touka’s frustration with Mutsuki is understandable until some point, I mean, it’s the third time Mutsuki tries to kill her while she is just there minding her own business even when he said he isn’t interested in her anymore, she isn’t obliged to understand him or feel empathy for him (it would be really cool if she tried to understand tho) when all he’s tried to do for the last 20 or so chapters is to get her “out of the way” I mean I would be pissed as well 🤔🤷‍♀️

Yeah, exactly. I don’t think we need to see Touka vs Mutsuki again–we saw that in :re, in the 24th ward others intervened to protect Touka, now I would hope something would intervene as well as we just don’t need to see it again. You’re absolutely right she isn’t obligated to, but I’m not talking about real life: I’m talking about story dynamics. In a story, if Touka is incapable of seeing the Mutsuki-Kaneki parallels, then I don’t know how she’s supposed to help Kaneki overcome his flaws. That’s why I think she needs to see it, from a story perspective. But she can see it and still be furious with Mutsuki, and maybe that will help her see that people are also going to be furious with Kaneki too. She definitely doesn’t need to forgive him.

Hi! Your take on Touka this chapter is interesting and thematic accurate, so maybe for Mutsuki to keep showing himself in front of Touka it’s like a way to provoke Touka thematically? Howeve, as far as character go in-story I don’t think what Touka is saying this chapter is wrong or even that it’s Touka’s job to help Mutsuki to get himself together (I’m not saying that you are implying this, I’m just rambling), for that the Quinx are much better.

Oh, I agree! Thank you for sharing your thoughts; you’re always welcome to ramble. Mutsuki is not Touka’s job. Please get Mutsuki away from Touka ASAP, tbh, she’s pregnant and does not need the stress; cut the girl a break. The Qs should handle Mutsuki; they’re the ones who can give him the love and family he craves, after all.

But I agree that thematically, I want this to provoke Touka and everyone, really, to consider the work that actually needs to be done to save the world. And to actually work for it, because no one in Goat really did.

I really don’t like the way Ken says “Mutsuki been off lately. If I’d noticed that earlier, the Goat base wouldn’t have been..”during the Kenference. I mean,shouldn’t he be like Mutusuki’s been turning kinda wild now. I’M WORRIED ABOUT HIM. As in, Mutsuki as a person and not because he suffered the loss of his base :( Also, do you think Urie might have been thinking about Mutsuki when he said we need to go there fast? As in, he knew it’d become a problem with mutsuki being on his own around Ken

Yeah, Kaneki should maybe have addressed the issue with Mutsuki before it got so bad. But no one puts in actual effort to solve anything until their backs are pressed against a wall. Not Saiko, not Urie, not Touka (I know that’s blasphemy–I LOVE TOUKA–but it’s also true), not anyone in Goat, definitely not Kaneki or he wouldn’t be a worm right now.

Like Touka, I love you, but you have seldom worked to create a peaceful world between ghouls and humans. :re was about the status quo. That isn’t me demonizing her, but stating how she is shown acting in canon, and it makes sense for her character arc and where she is in that. The one thing she did do was talk to Akira, which was important for Akira but not so much for Hinami. Why are you surprised a problem everyone seems to just want solved without any effort or reparation turns out not to be solved after all? (Which isn’t me saying Mutsuki isn’t in the wrong here; he 100% is.)

Touka’s kind of representative of the alliance right now, and she’s facing down her worst fears in Mutsuki: Mutsuki is an abandoned child both by his parents and by the CCG and by Kaneki, the father of Touka’s own baby. The world isn’t fixed, Kaneki isn’t fixed by the simple “let’s work together to rescue him.” If you don’t address the world the CCG created–and no, killing Mutsuki, representative of the children it twisted, is not the answer; see exhibit A: Kaneki turning into Dragon as a result–peace is going to fall apart. If she doesn’t address the root cause of Kaneki’s issues, he’ll repeat the same abandonment pattern he has always repeated given the right (or really, wrong) circumstances. Fortunately, I do think they’re going to address these issues.

About Urie, I don’t know! I hope so lol. But either way, he’s definitely going to walk into this situation and have to intervene. Finally.

Thank you for the ask!

How do you think dragon will play into the touka v mutsuki fight?

Hi friend! I’m… very concerned about that lol. It looks like Mutsuki pierced his eye, which will probably wake him up, But it remains to be seen just how much sentience Kaneki has. I don’t think he would want to hurt Touka or Mutsuki (considering how, in his Kenference in 144, he was expressing worry and a concern for Mutsuki).

If he’s not sentient and both of them are at risk, that might make my Touka/Mutsuki BroTP happen in that they’d have bigger concerns to worry about, like not dying. If he is sentient, he will probably try to protect Touka.

But the implication of the Qs heading to that area is that they are
going to intervene, and I’m not sure how Kaneki ties into that. They all might need saving–but if Kaneki does lose it during/after they rescue Mutsuki from himself, that might just reinforce to Touka just what her husband has become, and she won’t be able to deny that. It might force many of them to realize.

at the end of this chapter when it talks about the next issue it says “a woman’s fight”, do you think this refers to Touka or Mutsuki?? or just a mistranslation??

I don’t trust mangastream’s translations when it comes to Mutsuki; they have a habit of putting in female pronouns where no pronouns are used. But I really hope the manga editor didn’t add that (because I believe those ending “up next!” things are added by editors, not mangakas) to be like LULZ CATFIGHT

Please keep that misogyny away from TG, pls and thank you.

was saiko acting all surprised that there was a possibility of finding sasaki or that they were gonna meet up with his wife, or possibly both?? (If they know touka is the wife, I mean the do right? They gotta know why they’re walking around with metal detectors)

I think it was because she wants to find her Maman. I do think they know! I’m sad we didn’t get a panel of Saiko’s face when she found out. Urie’s I can pretty much guarantee I know what his face would be to finding out that Sasaki married before him: no mouth. XD

I’m not saying Kimi, Ui, and Kaneki are free from blame either, they have way bigger consequences to shoulder than Mutsuki. I’m focusing on Mutsuki in specific and how she can be redeemed. While this applies to a lot of people this arc, she prioritizes her feelings for Kaneki and may jeopardize waking Kaneki up early for an even worse outcome when she doesn’t realize that the Q’s serve as a family that love her as Haise did. There’s only so far mental illness can justify her actions.

How is this different than Kimi prioritizing Nishiki? How is it different than Kaneki prioritizing Touka over the 100 orphans he murdered? Ui prioritizing Hairu?

And they are not even mentally ill in the same respects Mutsuki is. Do you expect them to be redeemed, or not? If yes, then why not Mutsuki? If no, then I think you’re not understanding the manga’s themes. But also, redemtpion doesn’t mean you have to like them. Personally, you don’t have to forgive Mutsuki–no reader has to forgive anyone. I will never forgive Kimi probably; I strongly dislike her after the revelations in the last chapter, but I still want a redemption arc for her because it makes sense narratively.

While it’s obvious that Mutsuki is going to survive for various narrative reasons, it’s kind of hard to overlook what she just did. I appreciate Mutsuki’s character arc in the story and love her in general but she probably just prematurely woke up Kaneki and jeopardized the whole operation. Even if she reconciles with the Q’s, how can she truly be redeemed? All her other bad decisions in the story don’t even hold a candle to the consequences her actions this chapter may have if Kaneki wakes up.

… honestly, anon, this is going to sound really short, and I’m sorry, but why is Mutsuki being blamed when Kaneki is the one who put himself in this position? Why would you blame Mutsuki when Kaneki would be the one attacking people? Why do you (presumably) think Kaneki’s going to be redeemed when he’s the one who caused all of this? If your argument is he isn’t in his right mind, well, neither is Mutsuki?

Are you fine with Kimi just skating by when she admitted to doing Mengele-esque experiments just to be near to her beloved? How is that any different than what Mutsuki’s doing?

Are you fine with Ui being able to redeem himself when he’s the one who knew about the plan to bring about Dragon in the first place?

Seriously, the double standards in this fandom are really confusing.

So what do you make of Mutsuki’s actions this chapter? He keeps oscillating btw extremes, so I wonder if he won’t just explode into tears a second later. Also, whenever Touka is around it’s as if his focus shifts on her rather than how much he needs Kaneki back. However, when he talks with Urie abt Kaneki he says he wants to stay with him.

But actually. Mutsuki is not stable right now, not at all, so this is genuinely possible. He needs help, not another fight, not with Touka, not with Juuzou, not with the Qs unless they’re fighting a la Saiko and Hsiao fighting Urie in 112: to subdue and save him.

Haters are annoying. great answer you gave to the last one! The amount of Mutsuki hate is disgusting especially for the insult of choices many use. Also people treating him as a full fledged antagonist are missing the way in whcih the narrative has been structured and I’m not Mutsuki’s biggest fan myself. Have a great day!

Yes, exactly. You don’t frame a character as a protagonist capable of that much compassion and then be like never mind antagonist who should be put down! That’s just not how stories work.

Thank you!