After all those jokes that the Touken baby might get a horrible or bad name I really hope Ishida gives that baby the most beautiful name he can imagine or else I’m going to his house and fight him 👊🏼

After Shuu’s “Kaneki Pleasure” suggestion I can accept no other name for the Touken baby.

~~Imagine Ayato’s reaction~~

Hide, Touka, Shuu, Akira, Amon, Nishiki, and Hinami next chapter

Time to dig up some Kaneki.

So I’m a taaad bit confused about this chapter. Kanou said “The washuu are Kakuja at birth”, meaning their Kagune already have the potential to go Kakuja, the user just has to act in cannibalism to get one. Kaneki’s Kagune in specific chomped through the Oggai and mutated, but not Kaneki himself? And when it ate Furuta’s “nucleus” it apparently gained the ability to grow more and obtained independent movement without need for Kaneki. Is that why they’re digging for Kaneki, is he naked somewhere?

I think so. Their RC levels I’m presuming are born high. Which makes me wonder. Just how is Amon’s so high? What were they doing to him in the tank? Is Kuzen’s kakahou also super powerful?

And yeah, pretty much, that seems to be what happened. I think they seem to think Kaneki is still buried underground in the remains of the 24th ward, which apparently is mostly destroyed (seeing as they mention thinking Yomo was buried alive). ~~can they find hajime when they dig~~

@amonmahboi was actually just discussing this with me–he’s probably better able to answer this!

Thank you for the ask!

Hey hamliet! I know you like Shakesphere and I know there are analysis posts relating it to Tg but if it’s possible can you give a breakdown of what happens in Julius and Caesar? Despite reading the posts I still don’t understand it as much as I want to and I’ve always found posts done by you and users like linkspooky make mythology and history, and character analyses far more interesting. Have a nice day!

Shakespeare asks=life in my soul.

So the scene @linkspooky , @falleninlovewithhideyoshinagachi and I have been discussing is a funeral scene, wherein Brutus, who assassinated his good friend Julius Caesar, and Marc Antony both give speeches to the crowds. You can read it here.

Itori would be Brutus in this analogy. Brutus gives a speech justifying his killing of Caesar for the good of Rome (and the citizens) and the crowd rallies behind Brutus. Itori also convinced the remains of Goat that Kaneki was acting on their behalf.

Marc Antony then gets up to speak, and the crowd at first is reluctant to hear him. (He would be Shuu in this case). He uses a variety of persuasive appeals to persuade the crowd over to his side–that Caesar was a wonderful man who deserved none of what happened to him. The crowd is persuaded and turns on Brutus. Kind of like the crowd is persuaded to help Kaneki here (they don’t turn on Itori though, which is good).

But the point is both Brutus and Marc Antony lie to the crowd. Neither of their viewpoints are 100% correct, and they know it.

Tsukiyama, for instance, while the ‘I’ll eat Kaneki and the kid!’ line seems to indicate self-deception (or humor tbh), starts off with his eyes shrouded as he says something that is a blatant lie and which he knows is a lie.

Itori, too, seemed to be saying something she’s too smart as a clown to actually believe (that Kaneki did this for them). They’re both trying to provoke their audiences: Itori says into doing nothing, just watching, and Tsukiyama into saving Kaneki. Maybe Tsukiyama really did know what he was saying is a lie but said it to get people to agree to save him. Which is good for the short-term goal of saving Kaneki from Dragon, but not necessarily for the long-term goal of saving Kaneki from himself.

Thank you for the ask!

Hey, the woman who appeared with Kanou’s notes in this chapter, is the same who freed Amon from his capsule in chapter 110? Saying that he was a case being analyzed.

From 110:

The woman with the notes is Nishino Kimi, Nishiki Nishio’s girlfriend! The woman in the lab is identified as Chieko, but presumably she is one of Kimi’s colleagues. The guy she’s first shown with though is absolutely the same guy who appears behind Kimi this chapter.

Great catch!

Two thoughts abt the chapter which maybe someone already had, but never mind. 1) After Kanou kills himself we have speech bubbles commenting how interesting death is. It fits the character and they could be his last words, but they could also be foreshadowing of something else since it seems as if he is speaking after experiencing death. 2) The fact Hide is acting with both CCG and ghouls separately may mean 2 opposite things a) The 2 sides will merge b) The 2 sides are still separated.

Yeah, I do wonder if it’s truly the end for Kanou. His speech kind of reminded me of a character named Kirillov, my favorite character in all of literature, from Dostoyevsky’s novel Demons, but I may write another meta on that since the novel as a whole has… similar themes to TG (surprise, it’s my favorite novel). It’s not surprising to me that the character who started this whole mess does not live in the end, but considering the series’ strong anti-suicide themes I still think there’s something more that has to come from him.

Yeah, it really depends what Hide’s plan actually is, doesn’t it? Is he trying to unite ghouls and humans, or is he covertly working with the ghouls from Goat? And even if they unite just to save Kaneki, what will they do afterwards? What about the loved ones of all the people Kaneki killed? What is justice in this case? Is Marude really okay with them just saving Kaneki and presumably taking off? What does he really think about ghoul rights?

So many questions. Thank you for the ask!

Well, I suspected Kaneki wouldn’t have been a good king since the beginning (tbh I smelled trouble since K accepted the title from Arima) because it just felt so against the themes I was imagining the series wanted to convey. I mean, in TG the whole “single hero saves the day” cliche was beautifully deconstructed and the way the OEK was framed it seemed so much the same. Plus, I didn’t see how becoming a symbol of fear for the CCG would have helped the ghouls cause. That’s also why I grew cont.

frustrated with the series, because not only Kaneki, but even other
characters who I felt in TG were able to clearly see K’s flaws decided
to go along and all felt very “dull” in a sense. Obv these were my
feelings and I should probably try to reread all the series together
when it ends :). However, right now, after the huge shock of Dragon
appearing I am feeling something similar with all the pieces coming
conveniently together. I honestly feels too easy, so I doubt all will go
as planned. cont

Also the clowns still have to move and to have the more prominent role
they were built up to have. We’ll see. I love your metas and thoughts!

Thank you so much! And I love your thoughts here. It really did go against the themes of the series, but I didn’t seem to catch it because it seemed like it was being painted positively by the narrative until 143 came and kicked the wind out of all of us. Which is why I’m not certain I can trust the way Hide’s plan seems to be painted positively by the narrative, especially when we’re getting lines from Tsukiyama that are so blatantly lies it’s hard to imagine Ishida isn’t deliberately putting that in there to warn us.

(I still think Kaneki will be saved and the aces will have a role, but it won’t be so easy or consequence-free.)

I agree with hides plan being doomed to fail, too much save him with the power of friendship feel for me. But he did ask urie for help who is the only charackter that doesnt worship kaneki like freaking Jesus. So maybe him and saiko will be the key points in this. I dont know about mutsuki since it feels like he isnt even part of the narrative right now?(which i hope will change). I mean where did mutsuki and Aura go even 😂

Haha yeah, Urie isn’t here for the Kaneki love fest. I doubt he’ll want to hurt Kaneki if Saiko and Mutsuki don’t, though, and they probably won’t. As for where they went, I am hoping they’re on their way back to the CCG and we’ll see them ASAP.

I actually like power of friendship saving people as a theme, when its earned. I don’t feel like it fits here though. @linkspooky mentioned in her meta that the aces are basically Kaneki’s good traits, and the Quinxes are Kaneki’s worst traits, and an anon sent me an ask last week saying Shirazu-Kaneki, Touka-Mutsuki, Tsukiyama-Urie, and Saiko-Hide, and I can see those parallels.

Basically, even if the plan doesn’t backfire, I’d love if there was a twist to this, as in, the power of love but also the power of taking responsibility save Kaneki.

The Parable of Sisyphus

linkspooky:

King Sisyphus was known from Homer onward as the craftiest of men. He betrayed one of Zeus’ secrets by revealing the whereabouts of Aegina, in return for causing a spring to flow on the Corinthian acropolis.

In return, Zeus then ordered Thanatos, Death, to chain King Sisyphus down below in Tartarus. Sisyphus was curious as to why Hermes, whose job it was to guide souls to the Underworld had not appeared on this occasion. He slyly asked Thanatos to demonstrate how the chains worked. As Thanatos was granting him his wish, Sisyphus sezied the opportunity and trapped Thenatos in the chains instead. Once Thanatos was bound by the strong chains, no one died on earth.

Before Sisyphus died he told his wife to throw his naked body in the middle of the bpulic square. This caused King Sisyphus to end up on the shores of the river Styx. Then, complaining to Persephone that this was a sign of his wife’s disrespect for him, he persuaded her to allow him to return to the upper world. Eventually he was dragged back down for his trickery.

As a punishment for this, he was made to endlessly roll a boulder up his steep hill. The maddening nature of the punishment was reserved for King Sisyphus due to his hubristic belief that his cleverness surpassed the gods. Zeus accordingly displayed his own cleverness by enchanting the boulder into rolling away from King Sisyphus before he reached the top, which ended up cosigning Sisyphus to an eternity of useless efforts and unending frustration.

Therefore I find it impossible for a chapter where Kanou dies, without facing any kind of justice at all and way too easily, and one where he namedrops Sisyphus himself and take it at face value.

Keep reading

Great meta.

the more stuff that gets revealed the more you realize ishida focused so hard on parallels and symbolism that he never thought through a way to actually coherently end the series.

I usually don’t respond to asks that sound like series
hate or author hate, but I wanted to respond to this because I think
there’s a legitimate concern underneath the salt.

I really hope this is not the case, and am not convinced it is. I
mean, if you take this chapter at face value, yes. It seems like we’re
getting a rushed shonen ending and that’s some bullshit after all the
deep themes and complexity TG’s set up. But are we?

There are a few things that give me hope. Namely, the
fandom as a whole took a lot of the false positive developments we saw
in Kaneki after getting together with Touka at face values and whoops
that turned out… not so well. He’s literally worse off than he’s ever
been.

I think this is a never-ending moon arc/sun arc
trying to break through, but not just yet. This might be the CCG’s turn
to experience the consequences we’ve seen for Kaneki and Goat. Because
while it’s positive that Kimi’s here and everyone’s reuniting, Tsukiyama
and Hide are blatantly showing us they’ve learned absolutely nothing.
Unless Ishida really plans on ditching setting up how they’ve learned
nothing, but he hasn’t really done that with any character at any point
before. So I think it’s entirely possible and I hope we’re getting the
same type of thing: set up looks like positive development, but it’s
going to backfire so that the CCG can learn. Humans might unite with ghouls after this as the Sun Arc.

If we are indeed following the Fool’s Journey, as it appears we are, I think Ishida does
have a satisfying conclusion in mind. I’ve been saying even before this
chapter dropped that the Quinx will likely be the ones to actually save
Kaneki from himself (permanently anyways, Hide’s plan might work
short-term). If that is going to be the case, something like this would
have to be set up. I hope this is the case and I still think criticizing
the pacing would be very legit here, but I wouldn’t say the ending is
necessarily botched.

We still aren’t in Judgment,
because no one’s had the sun illuminate their life. No one’s actually
looking at themselves. No one’s grown remotely. Judgment tarot has zombies on it, so I have hope that build up will indeed pay off.

(Kanou’s death, if it’s permanent, is disappointing though. I’ve stated my opinion on that. )