Growing Up: Amon, Juuzou, & Personal Responsibility

I’ve been wanting to write about TG’s Amon/Juuzou foiling for awhile and the latest chapter gave me the opportunity so let’s go. (Some of my thoughts, especially as related to Amon, come from a conversation I had with the brilliant @lunaamatista)

Juuzou and Amon had two of my favorite arcs in the first TG, though in :re, I’ve found both their arcs’ pacing… it could be better. :)) Amon and Juuzou have inversed arcs in some ways in how their relationship to the CCG is portrayed in each series: in TG, Amon is accepted with the CCG, and despite working with the CCG Juuzou is an outsider and knows he’s treated like one; in :re, Juuzou is accepted and praised by the CCG, but Amon is lurking on the outside thanks to being turned into a ghoul. I’ve always been interested in how they foil each other, but in particular I want to discuss their foiling in relation to how they cope with their respective two major parental/mentor figures each: Mado Kureo and Donato for Amon, Shinohara and Big Madam for Juuzou, and how it relates to this theme:

The idea of growing up is connected to Jungian concepts of overcoming your parents (one of TG’s main themes) and doing that via arriving at self-actualization. Ishida directly drew our attention to this theme with what Yomo told Uta, and basically as this is the last arc the time for everyone to grow up is now or never. 

In the first TG, we see that Mado and Donato are highly similar. Both of them are sadistic child murderers, yet Amon rejects Donato and believes he is irredeemably evil, whereas he respects Mado so much he will do anything to atone for not preventing his death.

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The discrepancy is obviously in that Donato was a ghoul and Mado a human, so Mado’s murdering is acceptable to Amon. But the thing is, Amon became exactly what he would have become had Urie Mikito not captured Donato: a child murderer.

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In the recent confrontation, we see Amon accept what he needed to accept about Donato: that he loved him, and that Donato was evil but also loved him:

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And in doing so, he accepts personal responsibility: he was twisting the world.

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Perhaps this is the answer the the question of emptiness he posed to Akira earlier in :re.

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Amon needed to reconcile the good with Donato, and he needs to reconcile the bad with Mado, because he still has not done that that we’ve seen as last time Mado was brought up he was praised–though Amon and Akira were still deciding to defy him, so that’s a good step.

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So basically Amon needs to, at this point, assist Akira in giving those Fueguchi quinques back to Hinami, I believe. After all, he participated in this attack whereas Akira did not. And I would like to see an apology, to see Amon take responsibility for twisting that part of the world. After reconciling the good and and with both Donato and Mado, I think Amon might be ready to step out into the world, and decide how he wants to live his life.

Juuzou, too, is rescued from a ghoul and then essentially follows the same life Big Madam would have prescribed for him, just with the law on Juuzou’s side this time. The difference is that while Donato and Mado are more gray, Big Madam is definitely painted in an almost entirely negative light and Shinohara in an almost entirely positive light, and for good reason. But at the same time, they’re both murderers.

The tragic irony of Juuzou’s situation is that he sticks with the CCG under the guise of honoring Shinohara.

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But he is actually just sticking to the lifestyle Big Madam set him on, forgetting that the reason he loves Shinohara so much was because Shinohara loved him like a son, not because Shinohara taught him how to murder ghouls. Like no, Juuzou, it hasn’t been decided. You can still make your own decisions. But at this point, Juuzou hasn’t gazed into that emptiness to see what the right decision would be. 

An interesting thing is Big Madam gives Juuzou the answer Amon has been trying to get from Part 1: why did you let me live? What was it about me?

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But her answer is exactly what Amon would expect from a ghoul (like if Donato said something similar):

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And that answer does nothing for Juuzou, just like it would have done nothing for Amon no matter what answer Donato gave him (whether it was the same as Big Madam’s or whether it was ‘because I loved you’). The answer will never be found in the past. It’s found in looking critically at yourself and taking what you have and moving forward with the good and discarding the bad.

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I think why Juuzou’s confrontation with his abuser did not ultimately free him and instead ended with him affirming his commitment to his job (with the ease with which Amon accepted things in the first TG) is because he was not put in a position in which he had to critically look at himself, like Amon was forced to when he became a ghoul (okay it still took Amon… a… long… time. Lol). His squad serves as a buffer, and it’s beautiful because they are his family and they love him like Shinohara loved him, but personal responsibility for deciding one’s own direction is also necessary and no one is challenging Juuzou on this besides Marude just telling him–though it clearly hasn’t resolved because now Juuzou’s all stab stab stab again.

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I do think something is building for Juuzou right now–which is why again, I think it makes so much more sense for Owl to be Hairu, someone he would know, rather than the ghoul who put Shinohara into his coma. But regardless it still probably wouldn’t be enough, which we know because of how Juuzou had no qualms about fighting Haise. What Juuzou needs, probably, is to find himself a ghoul, and then to see that his squad will not kill him–because they won’t. And he might realize Shinohara would not have killed him either, especially if Shinohara does, in fact, happen to wake up. Because they love him.

And then Juuzou might have to ask himself a similar question to the question Akira asked in 120:

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Whom should I have been killing?

The answer is no one. But in terms of how to fix the world, or how to move forward? It comes from looking at yourself.

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Juuzou already might as well be a ghoul in terms of murdering without a second thought. Hopefully he will soon learn the lesson being a ghoul helped teach Amon (well, sort of, could have been written better but that’s neither here nor there):

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And make his own way forward, as Marude admonished him to do. (Even if he doesn’t become an actual ghoul, he needs to realize that he in essence is one already–that’s just a foreshadowed way I think would work narratively to help Juuzou arrive at that point.)

What do you think will Juuzou’s role be in stopping dragon and going forward? 👀

My son is going to show up with candied human flesh in his pockets to apologize to Kaneki and everything will be fine.

Kidding. But actually, I think the axe needs to fall on everyone in the CCG, including Juuzou, and soon (axe falling=/=them dying to be clear! I don’t think Juuzou will die). It’s funny, Furuta says this to Kaneki after his defeat at Juuzou’s hands:

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However, he really might as well have said that to Juuzou as well. Juuzou’s learned nothing. I mean, he has learned to love others like Hanbee, Nakarai, and the other two in his squad, and Mutsuki. However, he also learned to love Kaneki, we can say pretty confidently, and that meant nothing in the end because he’s still clinging to Shinohara and was willing to brutally slaughter his own friend, the only one who never looked at him like he was disgusting, just because Furuta told him to.

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It adds irony to the statement he makes to Big Madam here:

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Essentially, this isn’t a declaration of freedom from Big Madam, but rather a declaration that he is still Rei. He is still a puppet; the master pulling the strings just switched from ghouls to ghoul-killers. Juuzou, on some level, even seems to recognize this:

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Basically, Juuzou has no reason to fight ghouls. He really doesn’t hate them, unlike, say, Ui or Urie or even Mutsuki. He doesn’t see the difference between ghouls and humans; the only difference is that he’s been ordered to kill ghouls whereas he used to be ordered to kill humans. 

Unfortunately for Juuzou, the one thing that caused some change in Juuzou beforehand was this:

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His own reckless behavior led to Shinohara sacrificing himself for Juuzou. Juuzou’s calculated behavior here has resulted in Dragon and we don’t know what happened to his squad. It’s possible Dragon killed Tamaki and Mikage and/or Hanbee will die from his injuries in the fight (since he is the one who is closest to Juuzou, based on what we’ve seen), but I’m not even sure that would work entirely to get Juuzou to change his mind; they were both told to prepare their wills, he knew it was a possibility, and he decided to do what Furuta told him to anyways. 

However, there is this:

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Here Nakarai and Hanbee imply Shinohara is already dead and Juuzou doesn’t know. I do wonder if Furuta was hoping Dragon would revive Shinohara like he hoped to revive Hairu, but that doesn’t actually matter. If Juuzou loses some members of his Squad, caused his other friend to turn into a Dragon by savagely attacking him, and sees it was all for a lie, a moon arc illusion–well. That might just break him, and Juuzou needs to break. 

It’s funny, Juuzou has no particular empathy for ghouls, but also none for people either, aside from people he’s close to. He’s kind of Extreme Kaneki in many ways. If he learns that he failed to appreciate Hanbee and the others in the same way that he failed to appreciate Shinohara until it was too late, he might be able to make a decision (he is tied to Judgment, after all) and decide to help the people he still does care about–any remaining members of his Squad, but more obviously, Mutsuki, who needs help, and whom Juuzou has failed utterly at mentoring. He might be able to become Shinohara insofar as mentoring broken children goes (dare I hope for Hajime), and when he finds out Mutsuki is actually a ghoul now, that might help spur him to reconsider whether it really is okay to kill ghouls just because someone tells you to. Because Shinohara? He would never have killed Juuzou. 

Juuzou needs to stop killing. 

Thank you for the ask, friend! 

Hi! I’m sure someone already pointed it out, but while in Cochlea Hide appeared when K heard the press and suspected Touka and the others were in trouble and so that was a catalyst for his change, here the catalyst is a more basic desire of wishing to see Touka. Ithink that K’s wish to see T again right now it’s like a root for Ken, like a basic selfish desire he has always had stripped of any noble/intellectual/heroic appearence he used to put on his basic desire of being loved. I think cont.

that desire is important, but it can be the only thing making Kaneki not emptry and him turning in a flesh monster is like the physical representation of this. For Kaneki to become “human” again (and I think TG is a narrative in which what a human is may be the centre) he needs more. If he can find that more or not will decide his fate imo. Also if the Quinx are the one who stop Kaneki that would be useful for Mutsuki too who may understand his role and relationship with Sasaki better.

I agree.

There’s nothing wrong with having a basic selfish desire to keep you going when you feel like you’ve lost everything else. Hell, something as trivial as wanting to find out what happens next in a series I’m following has gotten me out of bed before. For Kaneki that desire currently is wanting to live with his wife and child, which is far more substantial, and even noble/beautiful in some ways. 

But the point is just like you say: Kaneki can’t stay there. Using Touka as the only thing to keep him going isn’t a permanent fix, because Sasaki wasn’t for Mutsuki and Hairu isn’t for Ui, Shinohara isn’t for Juuzou, etc. Basically hyper-focusing on one person can lead to you doing terrible things out of desperation to keep them around. Ui fought Hirako and in that fight Hairu’s cousin was killed (though to be fair to him communication might have helped *side eyes Hirako*), Juuzou fought his friend and almost killed him to keep a vegetative or possibly already dead man alive, and Mutsuki’s hurt Saiko by going after Yoriko, ignored Urie, and harm’s come to Aura. 

My guess is by “human,” you mean ghouls and humans alike, and I agree. 🙂 I hope Kaneki is able to recover from this lowest point of his. And yes, what’s happened to Dragoneki is a very physical warning to Mutsuki, and also to Juuzou, to Ui, to all of them really: if you make this one person your everything while also ignoring everything around you that you already have (most obviously in Mutsuki ignoring the Quinx, Juuzou his squad–which is why I’m concerned that one or more of them might die at Dragoneki’s hands, and Kaneki having a zillion options to avoid getting to such a desperate place), you risk being transformed into what you never wanted to be: Mutsuki has parallels to Torso now, Juuzou is acting like Rei again in terms of being a puppet, Ui has partnered with ghouls and knows full well that it’s wrong, Kaneki who couldn’t bear the thought of hurting adult CCG agents has eaten children. Basically, you risk becoming a monster. In the case of Kaneki, quite literally.

Thank you so much for the ask!

Juuzou’s Path Forward

Time for me to ramble about my very favourite character in Tokyo Ghoul: Suzuya Juuzou. Idk what it is about all the murder children like Juuzou Mutsuki Touka Ayato Hajime and Rio but I have a soft spot for all of them. He’s had one of my favourite arcs, going from being completely unable to understand empathy and love and the value of life to realizing how much those things matter to him only when it’s too late. 

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Since then, he’s become a respected CCG agent, paying for Shinohara’s medical care and earning the respect and love of his squad, as seen in Joker and :re. 

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But Juuzou’s issues with Shinohara are not resolved–he never got the closure he needs, as we saw when Uta used a Shinohara mask to completely unnerve Juuzou, and more recently when Nakarai tells Hanbee that the reason Juuzou stays with the CCG is because he hopes for Shinohara’s recovery, a hope that is futile (and there is the possible implication that Shinohara has actually died and Juuzou doesn’t know, which might make zombie Shinohara a possibility).

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Juuzou wants to honor Shinohara’s impact on his life through how he lives his life. However, he’s going about it all wrong.  

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Juuzou is operating under the delusion that the path towards being like Shinohara involves becoming a stronger investigator and inspiring others to follow that path as well: he believes that his mentorship should inspire bravery and strength in his mentees. But he’s completely forgetting that the whole reason Shinohara means so much to him is not because of Shinohara being a strong CCG investigator, but rather it was because of the love, kindness, and empathy Shinohara showed Juuzou. That is Shinohara’s legacy to Juuzou: inspiring kindness and love in him, rather than inspiring violence.

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The path towards becoming more like Shinohara, for Juuzou, is actually not served by him inspiring lost children to become better investigators, but rather by showing them love and kindness. He’s been mentoring his squad in a sense and while that’s gone fairly well, he’s failing at mentoring someone who had a similar background to him (and who actually killed some of those animals he was accused of killing): Mutsuki. His squad member Nakarai is failing at mentoring Aura Shinsanpei, like Kiyoko requested of him. And now Mutsuki is failing at mentoring the Oggai in any sort of positive direction.

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This will probably come back to bite Juuzou at some point, and he’s going to have to realize where he’s gone wrong and try to fix it before he can really become like Shinohara. (And I should say that I really do not see a tragic end for Juuzou, at least as the story stands currently, so I think he will.) He still hasn’t fully understood what he did to Kurona and Nashiro–he really needs to develop a sense of empathy, even for those on the “opposite side.”

And he just might have the opportunity to do that soon. His friend, Kaneki, is the One-Eyed King right now. When asked about how he feels about killing Kaneki, Juuzou says this:

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This blind acceptance brings to mind Juuzou’s confrontation with Big Madam in the auction arc, where he tells Big Madam that he doesn’t feel any animosity towards her, but rather is killing her because it is his job. 

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Presumably he is trying to adopt the same attitude towards Kaneki. However, as Juuzou himself hints, there is a key difference here: Kaneki loved Juuzou as a friend (however imperfect Kaneki’s love was, as Mutsuki calls him out on when he asks Kaneki whether Suzuya and anyone at the CCG at all meant anything to him when he attacks :re). Big Madam really did not, as she brutally tells him:

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I do think Juuzou and Kaneki might face off in the future (the “20” that he wears in his hair, a symbol of the Judgement tarot, suggests this as well). But I don’t believe Juuzou will be able to kill Kaneki–not because of his lack of physical ability, but because he cares about Kaneki, and Kaneki has shown him kindness and love. Juuzou’s reaction to fake Kaneki’s execution by Furuta reveals that Juuzou’s statement that “it’s already been decided” is not what he truly feels. 

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I think Juuzou is likely to defect at that point, or at least come to work alongside Kaneki and thereby with ghouls. He might not literally become a ghoul, but he could work with them. Maybe then he will cast off the “new Arima” label Furuta has saddled him with–essentially proving that he is not so easily bent to Furuta’s will even though he currently is indeed being bent by Furuta’s will despite knowing how shitty Furuta is–and be able to truly follow in Shinohara’s footsteps: becoming a mentor to other lost children. He might help Mutsuki, and/or the Oggai who survive. Unfortunately, if Shinohara is indeed dead and/or zombified, he might realize this too late to help his old mentor (paralleling again how he realized too late how much he loved Shinohara in the first TG), but he can honor his legacy. 

re:quest [tension] – chapter 3

kenkamishiro:

Sorry for the delay. I ended up being pretty busy over the last few weeks, plus having other translations take more priority (like the actual manga chapters and the omakes). Hopefully the next chapters won’t take as long for me to finish.

For those who haven’t read “tension”, the short story about the CCG art festival, you can read chapter 1 here. Enjoy!

(Thank you @tokyo-ghoul-out-of-context and @kanekikenunot for proofreading.)


“Urie.”

Urie silently clicked his tongue as he heard someone call him from behind. Even without looking back at the person he immediately knew who it was.

“…(Annoying prick.)”

He turned around and sure enough, it was his classmate Kuroiwa Takeomi. Between Takeomi’s tall figure and upstanding visage, it was his honest-looking eyes that grated on Urie’s nerves the most, because they were just like the eyes of his father, Kuroiwa Iwao.

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Thank you so much for the translation!