Initial Reactions

Before Hamliet has to go schmooze with coworkers at a luncheon.

Best chapter since 159. 9/10.

Those questions V asked Take, Ui, and especially Yusa about Arima, and about who Yusa wants to be… chilling and perfect.

And oh would you look at their numbers. Under the 19th ward (19=sun) they’re going to A20 (20=Judgment)

TG:re, Tarot Descriptions & Correlating Occurrences

Let’s talk tarot. Not precisely how TG relates to the Fool’s Journey or how the individual cards relate to certain characters, etc. (though kind of), but instead how the images on the cards in :re specifically often tend to relate to what happens during that particular point in the Fool’s Journey. They don’t always and some images are clearly referenced more than others but here let’s try. (Contributions are welcome btw because some I find more puzzling than others.) Let’s go. (Descriptions are taken from BiddyTarot).

Firstly, Temperance. The card that we started :re with. 

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On the Temperance card stands a winged angel. The angel is actually a hermaphrodite (the child of Hermes and Aphrodite), showing a balance between the genders. The angel has one foot on dry land, representative of the material world, and one foot in the water, representative of the subconscious. In this position, she also represents the need to ‘test the waters’ before jumping headfirst into unknown circumstances. Here she tempers the whimsical flight of the Fool who jumps without giving a second thought. The triangle inside the square on her robe represents the female being protected by natural law. In her hands she holds two cups which she uses to mix water. The cups represent the sub- and super-conscious minds. One cup can be thought of as holding hot water and the other cold water. The water flowing between them is actually going from the lower cup to the higher one, signifying rising from a lower plane to a higher one. The temperate individual mixes the opposites and finds a balance in life by avoiding extremes. 

It’s no coincidence that :re begins by blurring the lines even further between supposed dichotomies. Firstly, the Quinxes, whose existence is both ghoul and human despite their refusal to acknowledge it. 

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There is another reference I could make but will not because although it’s there I don’t like it and also I don’t want hate. Let’s just say TG is at its core a very very Jungian story and Jung at his core is about reconciling extremes and everyone being androgynous by nature. 

Anyways. Let’s move on from the ugh. The angel. Who has two wings and appears with cups of coffee in the first volume? And who also is a ghoul trying to live a human existence? 

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Touka’s also Kaneki’s anima to boot, which in Jung means that they balance each other out. 

Okay let’s move on. The Devil. Takizawa. This one corresponds to Takizawa’s entire arc in :re. 

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The card of the Devil portrays a Satyr, a creature that is half man and half goat. In many myths, the goat was considered an unclean and lustful animal. However, the goat also symbolises the scapegoat, the person or thing upon which people project the inferior side of themselves in order to feel better about themselves. Thus the Devil is the scapegoat we blame for our troubles in life.

Well Takizawa is a OEG and let’s be real. He is a scapegoat. He was a scapegoat of the victims captured by Eto and Kanou and then by the CCG when they wanted to kill him.

The Devil has the wings of a vampire bat, an animal that sucks the life blood out of its prey. This is symbolic of what happens when we give full reign to the realm of our raw desires. We lose our vitality and life energy. The Devil has an almost hypnotic stare, bringing those who come near him within his power. Above him is an inverted pentagram, signifying the darker side of magic and occultism.

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At the foot of the Devil stands a man and a woman, both naked and chained to the podium on which the Devil sits. They appear to be held here, against their will, but only closer observation, the chains around their necks are loose and could be easily removed. This symbolises that bondage to the Devil is ultimately a voluntary matter which consciousness can release. The man and woman wear tiny horns like those of the Satyr – they are becoming more and more like the devil the longer they stay here. Both have tails – a further symbol of their animalistic or ‘lower’ tendencies.

Welp. The thing is it isn’t just Taki who is in bondage. It’s the CCG agents too. Which he points out–because they are all murderers already.

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The dark and doorless cave implies that the Devil dwells in the most inaccessible realm of the unconscious and only crisis can break through the walls.

Oh look this is Takizawa. But much later. 

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So let’s move on to the Tower.

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The Tower shows a tall tower pitched atop a craggy mountain. Lightning strikes and flames burst from the building’s windows. People are seen to be leaping from the tower in desperation, wanting to flee such destruction and turmoil. The Tower signifies darkness and destruction on a physical scale, as opposed to a spiritual scale. 

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The Tower itself represents ambitions built on false premises. 

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Poor Ui. (And yes, he is an important character.) But also? Poor Urie. Basically if you had ambition this arc you lost a person way more important to you instead.

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The lightning bolt breaks down existing forms in order to make room for new ones. It represents a sudden, momentary glimpse of truth, a flash of inspiration that breaks down structures of ignorance and false reasoning. Notice the lightning bolt is oriented left to right (from the perspective of the card), from heaven to earth, and from Spirit to material. 

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The falling figures correspond to the chained prisoners in the Devil card. They fall headfirst, because the sudden influx of spiritual consciousness represented by the lightning flash completely upsets all our old notions about the relations between subconsciousness and self-consciousness. 

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I don’t know about the chained prisoners but whatever. Karren and Shuu are surely the lovers reversed (and so are Kaneki and Shuu because reversed can correspond to unrequited) so it does fit I’m not sure how it corresponds to the devil but let’s move on.

The flames are actually the Hebrew yods. There are 22 flames, representing the 22 Major Arcana. The gray clouds are the clouds of misfortune that rain on everyone indiscriminately.

I think we can all agree the Tower arc was brutal for like. Everyone. Except Eto and Furuta they had a good time.

Star! Aka the one I think fits least but could be wrong but can’t place. If anyone has suggestions please do comment!

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The Star card shows a naked woman kneeling at the edge of a small pool. The woman holds two containers of water. She pours the water out to nourish the earth and to continue the cycle of fertility, represented by the lush greenery around her. The other container pours the water onto dry land in five rivulets, representing the five senses. The woman has one foot on the ground, representing her practical abilities and good common sense, and the other foot in the water, representing her intuition and inner resources, and listening to her inner voice. 

So this could be reaching but fertility could be associated with Touka, though not in this arc. 

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Behind her, shines one large star and seven smaller stars, representing your chakras. This represents a need to open your chakras and cleanse your aura. Notice all the stars have eight points. The Star is associated with the number 17, which equals 8 (1+7=8). Eight is Strength, the quality needed to accept your faults and love yourself in spite of them. The bird in the tree in the background is the sacred ibis of thought, roosting in the tree of the mind. 

Uhhhh. Well, Hide does appear from Kaneki’s mind to remind him to live. 

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I also do think that this arc focuses on physical strength which characters like say Ayato, Urie, Mutsuki, Hinami, and Kaneki tend to prioritize but we see here that it’s actually internal strength that’s necessary for all of them. Physical strength got Ayato nowhere in this arc. Nor Hinami. Urie and Mutsuki–well, their focus on it set them up for delusions in the Moon Arc. Kaneki’s physical strength wasn’t enough to overcome Arima; his mental strength stemming from the memory of his (he thought) dead friend was enough to convince him to live, and to win, but not to kill Arima whom he loved and who by the way represents a part of Kaneki.

And now the Moon Arc! Kill me I never want to discuss this arc again. (I’m kidding I’m just still so happy it’s over it was traumatizing.)

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The Moon is the card of intuition, dreams and the unconscious. The Moon provides light as a reflection of the Sun, yet this light is dim, uncertain, and only vaguely illuminates our path as we journey toward higher consciousness. 

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Remember how Kaneki made a good decision and then went right back to making terrible ones?

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Remember how he learned he was loved and it still was not enough to fix him? Yeah. Sun hints, but not enough. Because Moon.

It’s also worth noting that the image of the sun and moon on the tarot is an eclipse.

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The pool at the base of the card represents the subconscious mind and the crayfish that crawls out of the pool symbolises the early stages of consciousness unfolding. This creature also represents the often disturbing images that appear from our inner depths, just as the dog and wolf at the beginning of the path represent the tamed and the wild aspects of our minds. 

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The path leads between two towers into the mountains in the distance, showing the way to the unconsciousness. 

Well. 

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There you go. I remember wondering why there was a ton of tower imagery in the Moon Arc and then I saw the card… when it was almost over because I’m dumb lol. 

Sun! Again, this one fits less well but does fit.

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The Sun is an image of optimism and fulfilment, the dawn that follows the darkest night. As the source of all life on earth, the Sun represents the source of life itself. The child playing joyfully in the foreground represents the happiness of our inner spirit when we are in tune with our truest Self. He is naked, having nothing to hide. 

Well I’m pretty sure Kaneki wasn’t wearing clothes here. A trivial reference but a reference nonetheless.

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He has all the innocence and purity of childhood. The white horse upon which the child rides represents strength and purity of spirit. The horse is without a saddle and is controlled without the use of the hands. This is a symbol of perfect control between the conscious and subconscious. The child holds an orange banner in his left hand, showing that control has passed from the conscious to the subconscious. 

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The orange banner represents action and vibration, and the rays of the sun represent the same thing. The straight rays are action while the wavy rays represent vibration. 

Don’t have much for this, but Kaneki seems to be focused on action? 

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Plus I also think it’s interesting the bodies in the Torii Gate vision fell from the sky/sun.

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The sunflowers in the background represent life and the fruitfulness of the spirit under the nourishment of the Sun. There are four sunflowers, representing the four suits of the Minor Arcana, as well as the four elements. 

Again I got nothing really for this aside from the fact that it is interesting to me that it was the three Qs + Touka who saved Kaneki and three of the sunflowers are together and one is a bit separate (Touka) in the image. On TG Trump (the four suits=four suits in cards) let’s look at what they are:

  • Touka: Ace of Clubs
  • Urie: 3 of Diiamonds
  • Mustuki: 3 of Spades
  • Saiko: 3 of Hearts

Not to mention we just had the reminder that Mutsuki represents Spades.

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Judgement. Which we’re just entering into so this is largely predictive.

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The Judgement card shows a number of naked men, women and children rising up from their graves, arms outspread and responding to the trumpet call of the archangel, Gabriel, who hovers high above them. The people are appealing to the angel, ready to be judged by the power of the Universe.

Okay so I know I’m always harping on zombies but let’s talk about this more. There are six dead people rising. Assuming Rize is one, we can probably expect five more which fits with other symbolism in the series so far and with Biblical references Ishida seems to be making. For example In Kaneki’s thoughts in part 1 we had this:

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There are 7 or 8 dragons. The whole concept of Judgement from Gabriel, a Biblical angel, is related to the end of Revelation in something called the Final Judgement in which every human is to be judged. And which Furuta referenced when he referenced the Christian theological theory of the Rapture:

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Here are some relevant verses:

Revelation 13:1-2

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 17:10-11:

They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

To quote an earlier post I wrote: “Kaneki and Rize are clearly two of the kings/Dragons. For certain, I’d say the others include Hairu and Shirazu, and the rest of them are likely Arima, Eto, and Karren–though it is possible we have Arata and Shinohara and Yoshimura as kings. The eighth is probably the original Nagaraj, who at this point I think is most likely Uta. He’s not my preferred choice but everything seems to be pointing to him (Donato is possible though).

So let’s talk about Gabriel. @sesshomarusenpai pointed out the potential connection to Juuzou which makes sense because if Dragon is causing the resurrections guess who played the key role in creating Dragoneki? 

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Plus Juuzou is associated with XX so he better play a role in fixing this mess he helped created. 

In the background, there are huge mountains, or even tidal waves, which signify insurmountable obstacles and the impossibility of avoiding judgment. The ocean represents the end of the river that flows through the Major Arcana, starting with the Empress.

So the interesting thing about The Empress is that in the Fool’s Journey in TG it is associated with Rize, and with Kaneki’s immersion into the ghoul world. Therefore I wonder if they just might have to fix the ghoul issue considering, well, they kind of need to because they’re majorly screwed: 

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Gabriel’s banner is red on white, the same as the Magician’s clothing. 

Oh look who’s back.

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As with everything in life, the beginning is woven irrevocably into the end and the end eventually leads to a new beginning.

I wrote a whole meta here on how TG has a chiastic structure also called ring structure because the beginning is tied in with the ending–Fruit, Rize, Hide, Touken, Kaneki are all probably going to have significant roles, along with Urie and Mutsuki because :re actually has a chiastic structure within itself (it’s one of the reasons I hope Karren is a nuclei and if not she has to be referenced). 

Lastly. The World. *cries*

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In the centre of the World is a dancing figure, rejoicing in the completion of the journey and celebrating not only this completion but also the new beginnings it promises. The dancer has one leg crossed over the other, just like the Hanged man. She is, in a sense, his opposite (i.e. the Hanged Man upright). As the Hanged Man looks infinitely inward, the dancer in the World card looks infinitely outward. In each of her hands she holds a wand or baton, representative of evolution and balance. She is surrounded by a thick, green wreath, symbolic of success, victory, achievement and accomplishment, and tied with the red ribbons of eternity. The red ribbons form the infinity symbol, representing the infinite rewards of positive effort in improving both ourselves and those around us. Within the laurel wreath are stars of light indicating attainment of enlightenment or cosmic consciousness.

Anyways I expect Kaneki to overcome his issues because what has he been associated with the entire time but the Hanged Man? It’s also probably not a coincidence that he looks more feminine now. NO I don’t think he’s turning into a woman and find that theory ugh, but symbolically Touka and Kaneki are yin/yang anima/animus and that’s all tied to androgyny and everyone having traditionally female and masculine traits (ughhhh Jung this isn’t aging well). (Also remember how I said TG:re has its own chiastic structure within a chiasm?) 

The figures in each of the four corners of the World card are the same figures that appear on the Wheel of Fortune. Interestingly, the World card is very much associated with the Wheel of Fortune, reflecting the cyclical progression of time and the human experience. The four figures (a lion, bull, cherub and eagle) represent the four fixed signs of the zodiac – Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio. These are symbolic of the four elements, four suits of the Tarot, four compass points, four seasons, and the four corners of the universe. And all are within the dancer’s sight and power.

Anyways considering that the Qs are also associated with all these 4 things  and with representing a flaw of Kaneki’s I’m pretty sure he will reconcile all disparate parts of himself and his flaws in this last arc.

Kaneki, the Fool Reborn

It looks like we’re in the Sun tarot, but are steadily approaching Judgement, which would be expected if we are closing in on 206 chapters. (My guess is they overlap a bit.) It’s noted that in the Sun:

The Fool is the naked babe pictured on Card 19, riding out joyously to face a new day. No challenge is too daunting. The Fool feels a radiant vitality. He becomes involved in grand undertakings as he draws to himself everything he needs. He is able to realize his greatness.

We see this childlikeness in Kaneki’s actions this chapter.

He’s basically helpless, with Nishiki scolding him, everyone gathered around him (and it didn’t look like he was wearing clothes when they rescued him either; Ishida likes to reference the images on tarot cards a lot so that’s probably a nod), and it’s also a nod to the notion of rebirth, which Kaneki underwent when he decided to face his ocean of sins with Rize. 

And then the master of the story, the man still writing it even if he isn’t writing Kaneki’s story anymore, Furuta, appears to hint at the coming arc, or really explain what they’re already seeing with the woman who’s been turned into a ghoul.

He references the Rapture a (rather modern and unsupported but w/e) theory of some evangelical Christians that is a reference to the “End Times” in the book of Revelations. To be fair I am not sure of the Japanese word but some early translations translated it as the “apocalypse” so I’m guessing it is indeed a reference to Revelation. The Judgment tarot is heavily related to the concept of the final judgement in the Biblical book of Revelation, and the resurrection of the dead. 

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And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

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It seems like we really are at the “end times” of the series, and it’s time for Kaneki, the Fool, to make a Judgement about his life in the coming arc, and with the references to the resurrection of the dead on the card and in the references from Furuta and what we’ve already seen recently with Rize, I’m thinking we will finally get Hairu and Shirazu’s resurrections, and possibly more. 

Are you against a possible Part 3? You make a lot of good posts that make perfect sense as to why :re will probably be the end of the series but it just feels like more could be explored, even if Kaneki isn’t the MC. I know a lot of characters are linked together and thus things will be concluded to an extent for them like per say Sunlit Society and etc, but I don’t know if I can agree with the notion that the story should end with Kaneki’s story. I don’t know, maybe I’m being too clingy to TG.

Sooooo… I’m not against a Part 3 per se. I’m pro “A Well Written Story.” As for a Part 3, here I am breaking all my principles by using a meme I cannot stand to sum up how I feel about it:

Replace “it’s” with “it would almost certainly be” and you have how I feel about a Part 3. I’m sorry as I know this meme comes across as snotty. 

But stories that drag on too long are not well written. I understand not wanting to leave the universe (I don’t either), but all stories have to end and how they end is very much a part of whether or not they pass the test of time. Hence I’m heavily invested in seeing TG end well.

TG has been following the Fool’s Journey in the tarot cards, and we all know this. We’re almost out of tarots. We are on Sun. We have Judgment and The World left. Judgment is where the Fool/Kaneki makes a decision. We’ve already had two whole mangas about Kaneki not being able to make a decision so it shouldn’t be a very long arc or else his Sun revelation didn’t work and that doesn’t make sense. The World is the fulfillment/ending card. Since TG is mostly characterized by internal conflict (really Kaneki’s worst enemy is himself). I can’t see the World being a very long card or sustaining a story on its own either. We’re not going to get a whole series of Kaneki being a badass sans conflict and traveling the world to be a professional badass. 

As for 206 (or 204 + 2 half chapters) it makes perfect sense as an ending place. TG is a character driven story; it is not plot driven, nor is it world driven. The characters have generally almost completed their arcs. It won’t be shocking if some plot points are dropped/worldbuilding questions are never answered. I’d obviously prefer them to be answered, but if Ishida does skimp towards the ending, I think those are more likely to take a hit than character arcs. 

It’s funny, I’ve been writing the vast majority of my theories and predictions under the assumption that TG:re would end at 206, so everyone who is like “how does this change your predictions because we can’t cover it all in this little time!”: it’s changed absolutely none of my predictions. I do understand the concern about it being rushed though; I’m a bit worried about that myself but Ishida is capable of excellent pacing. So here’s to hoping. 

Additionally, Ishida, he the master of planning out when his first series would end with 143 chapters, naming 72 “Halfway” and how 143 connects to 1000-7 (7 can be subtracted from 1000 around 143 times, but seriously, read this meta, it points out how many chapter numbers in TG are important) is not likely to end :re on some random number of chapters. He called the first chapter of :re “Bone” probably for a similar reason as named 72 “Halfway.” He included the hiragana for “60” in 144 (and there are 2 half chapters). He began chapter 300 of the entire series with Kaneki in a fetal position, and while estimates range from 270-305, the general consensus you will hear is that babies are born with around 300 bones in their body. Basically, Ishida is extra AF and I think he will be extra with :re in terms of chapter numbers. 

Speaking of the final arc, most of the unanswered questions–Sunlit Society, Arata/Yoshimura in the lab, zombies, Rize & Furuta, etc.–are all linked to V and the lab specifically. It’s not as if they have to happen separately in a different arc; they can happen all together, concurrently. 

I’m certainly not opposed to a spin-off with a new character as they try to work on advancing a new world, but TG has always been Kaneki’s story from the very beginning. It’s his struggles and every character is a foil of him (like literally every single one). The main series should conclude with the end of Kaneki’s internal struggles to be well-written. A spin-off, if that’s what you’re referencing? Please do Ishida! 

Also, the most “ehhhhh” argument I see for a part 3 is "Ishida is a fan of Star Wars which has trilogies.” Everyone is a fan of Star Wars. But if you want me to go with that logic a two-part series makes perfect sense: tragedy and a blue sky. Human and ghoul, black and white, good and bad–it fits with the duality themes and how it’s all a false duality, because TG and TG:re are all one story in the end even though :re begins with a character with a new name and tries to make you think it’s a different story but is not in the end. 

That being said, I could be wrong, you never know! I just want a good story, whatever Ishida wants to give us 😀 And also? Please don’t feel it’s a bad thing for not wanting to let go of TG. I understand. I would love a spin-off but without our cast haha. The fandom won’t be going anywhere though. 

This might be a long ask so forgive me! Since :re ending and Part 3 debates have been up in the air, which factor do you think is most important in regards to TG’s completion? Kaneki’s character arc completing or the overall worldly events and story completing? All this talk about Kaneki being the main factor and all the other characters being left unfulfilled or still in need of developing would upset me, so I go with the overall story and world building to be honest so everyone gets complete.

No worries! So I would say definitely not worldbuilding. I understand that’s something fans like a lot and Ishida is good at it, but he never focuses on it in his writing (for example, we only learn the types of kagunes and their weaknesses like in the 50s-60s of the original TG). That’s why I have a hard time buying that Ishida would do an entire series on traveling the world, though it’s a good theory, because he hasn’t shown that kind of dedication or focus on world-building, which he would need to do to pull that off.

Plot (I’m not sure if that’s what you meant by “story”) definitely matters more than worldbuilding imo, but actually not that much more. I do think V needs to be answered, but as we’ve already seen with Kanou’s death, Ishida has no qualms about tying up plot threads quickly even if not the best ways. I also think we at least need a hint of another food source for ghouls, and we have foreshadowing to that respect in regards to Kanou’s final speech to Kurona:

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I also think we’re unlikely to get a nice bow when it comes to the story, and tbh I kind of prefer that (I like bows when it comes to character developments and relationships, not so much with plot, but that’s personal preference). It’s “Tokyo Ghoul,” and I can see it ending with the promise of Dragon and other kagunes offering some scientific breakthrough to help ghouls, and with V being defeated in Tokyo, but everyone aware it needs to spread through the world–and the promise that it will. 

The Clowns also need to be addressed, but mostly I believe through Donato with Amon and Uta with Yomo. If Uta (or anyone else) is the original OEK I think it really actually wouldn’t matter very much to the plot besides being able to give advice to Kaneki about creating life–that can be like a chapter. Donato and Amon is a bit more complicated.

Character arcs I would agree are the most important part by a lot. That being said, while Kaneki is the main protagonist, other characters’ arcs matter too. Touka’s, Mutsuki’s, Urie’s (Mutsuki and Urie are, with Kaneki, the only three characters to get development in every single arc, so they’re like co-dueteragonists), Ui’s, Hinami’s, Yomo’s, Kurona’s, Seidou’s, Amon’s, and Akira’s are the ones that come to mind immediately, + Eto if she’s alive.

We’re following the Fool’s Journey and we’re in the Sun now. There’s only Judgment and the World. The Fool’s Journey is Kaneki’s story. The Sun is a card of happiness and understanding–i.e. it’s not likely to sustain the story very long. Judgment is a card of making a decision based on knowing who you are (revealed in the Sun). That’s up next. Here’s how this site describes this:

The Fool has been reborn. His false, ego-self has been shed,
allowing his radiant, true self to manifest. He has discovered that joy,
not fear, is at life’s center.


The Fool feels absolved. He forgives himself and others, knowing
that his real self is pure and good. He may regret past mistakes, but he
knows they were due to his ignorance of his true nature. He feels
cleansed and refreshed, ready to start anew.


It is time for the Fool to make a deeper Judgement (20) about his
life. His own personal day of reckoning has arrived. Since he now sees
himself truly, he can make the necessary decisions about the future. He
can choose wisely which values to cherish, and which to discard.


The angel on Card 20 is the Fool’s Higher Self calling him to
rise up and fulfill his promise. He discovers his true vocation – his
reason for entering this life. Doubts and hesitations vanish, and he is
ready to follow his dream.

The Moon is a card of stagnation; hence why it lasted so long. Judgment is about a decision; we don’t need a very long arc for Kaneki struggling to make a decision since that was the entire past two mangas. And then there’s the World:

The Fool reenters the World (21), but this time with a more complete understanding. He has integrated all the disparate parts of himself and achieved wholeness. He has reached a new level of happiness and fulfillment.


The Fool experiences life as full and meaningful. The future is filled
with infinite promise. In line with his personal calling, he becomes
actively involved in the world. He renders service by sharing his
unique gifts and talents and finds that he prospers at whatever he
attempts. Because he acts from inner certainty, the whole world
conspires to see that his efforts are rewarded. His accomplishments are many.


So the Fool’s Journey was not so foolish after all. Through perseverance
and honesty, he reestablished the spontaneous courage that first
impelled him on his search for Self, but now he is fully aware of his
place in the world. This cycle is over, but, the Fool will never stop
growing. Soon he will be ready to begin a new journey that will lead him
to ever greater levels of understanding.

That doesn’t sound like it can sustain a story to me either. TG is a very Jungian story as I’ve been saying and Ishida’s even quoted Jung in it as if to make it even more obvious. Jungian stories are about self-actualization and a person’s struggle with him/herself mirrored in the struggle going on around them (conflict between humans and ghouls). Once you remove that struggle, everything that makes TG what it is will change.

I’ve discussed before how everyone in this series parallels everyone else (but actually) and in particular how characters parallel Kaneki. Therefore everyone I listed above ties in with Kaneki’s development, because in many ways they are Kaneki. Once he reaches the world, they will too. And a story without the struggle that’s defined TG and TG:re no matter how excellent the worldbuilding and the plot of taking down V is not the same as the story we all love.

So basically yeah. TG is all about character development (that’s why I love it), but it’s not as if the plot doesn’t matter at all. But the plot is dependent on the characters’ developments, as their struggles mirror the struggles going on outside in Tokyo (I believe that’s something @dreamofcentipedes has said before!)

Sorry if this is and old theme or already answered ; does the cards deck still mean something to this point of the story, or it was more related to the begining of the manga and general aspects? I kind of lost touch to it a long time ago and never read about them again

No worries! Yes, we’re following The Fool’s Journey in the major arcana. Here’s a link to a meta written by @linkspooky on the Fool’s Journey; we’ve now passed the star and are into the moon. 

Why do you think there won’t be a part 3? I think I hope so but… I don’t see how Ishida will manage to cover everything left in the story,and not leave loose ends or the sotry incomplete. Thanks for all your answers and have a nice day~

Well, it depends! I could be wrong and there might be a part 3 for the world. and I’m not opposed necessarily. But there are a few things that lean towards me thinking it’s not likely (plus I won’t lie. I don’t want it).

I should state that I don’t expect things to be wrapped up with a bow. Meaning, we might have some minor loose ends to show us that the characters will continue on without us. However, I do expect the major plot points to be addressed–the Sunlit Garden, zombies, the ghoul/human problem to have a way to move forward, etc., and Ishida’s handling of Touken and Akiramon also suggests to me that ships will get satisfaction in the end (most likely to be Ayahina and Mutsurie).

But the thing is, TG is a manga about self-realization. Once Kaneki achieves that, what is left for him as a character? Do we really need a third manga to explore that?

Here’s what this site says about The World:

The Fool reenters the World (21), but this time with a more complete understanding. He has integrated all the disparate parts of himself and achieved wholeness. He has reached a new level of happiness and fulfillment.

The Fool experiences life as full and meaningful. The future is filled with infinite promise. In line with his personal calling, he becomes actively involved in the world. He renders service by sharing his unique gifts and talents and finds that he prospers at whatever he attempts. Because he acts from inner certainty, the whole world conspires to see that his efforts are rewarded. His accomplishments are many.

So the Fool’s Journey was not so foolish after all. Through perseverance and honesty, he reestablished the spontaneous courage that first impelled him on his search for Self, but now he is fully aware of his place in the world. This cycle is over, but, the Fool will never stop growing. Soon he will be ready to begin a new journey that will lead him to ever greater levels of understanding.

The world is a card of completion and notably closure. The world is noted to be “the opposite of the Hanged Man” the card that’s been repeatedly associated with Kaneki.

Of course, it’s also noted that the world might also symbolize:

… a strong desire to contribute, to ‘give back’, or to use a special gift or talent to help make the world a better place. You are coming from a good place now of love, knowledge and experience and you are ready to share this with others.

From a more literal perspective, the World can indicate world travel, particularly on a large scale.

So I can see that happening, but I also don’t know that we need to see that if Kaneki has conquered most of his demons. Basically, I’m not sure an entire manga of completion and Kaneki being fully involved in the world makes a lot of sense. I don’t know that we even need a “World” arc so much as a promise that things will start to spill out from Tokyo to address teh world’s issues (that’s what I mean when I say I don’t need things to be wrapped up with a bow). As I’ve said before, the only way I see Part 3 happening is if it does not follow Kaneki’s journey at all but is instead of spin-off manga but I’m ehhhh about that. 

Also let’s look at the TG mangas. We have: Tokyo Ghoul, Tokyo Ghoul: Jack, Tokyo Ghoul: Joker, and Tokyo Ghoul: re (aka TG: king). They’re all cards. If the first TG is the queen (and it might be given the prominence of figures like Rize and Eto), I don’t see what’s left. TG: Ace, maybe? Idk.  

I like your interpretation of the 19 in 125 being a ray of Sun taken away by the Eclipse. It also seemed like butterfly wings and I heard it’s a Japanese pun for orgasm, so there’s also that. I think we are still in the Moon arc with maybe some shy overlapping of the Sun. The point is we will really be in the Sun when the Fool himself will enter it bcs even if the Tarots influence all the characters (and I love how as the journey progresses more and more ch are touched by the effects of the cont

cards as the Fool becomes more and more intertwined with society, in the
end it’s the Fool who is doing the journey and so we need our MC to
enter the Sun for its effects to be more visible. As for now, I don’t
think K is there yet, even if hopefully he’s almost there: Rize’s words
were partial and were missing important points even if they held a part
of truth. Abt Rize and the current arc what do you think of the black
frame while the Qxs were struggling and that after briefly disappearing
con
       
  

came back in this chapter? You know, I had this random thought
that since last time K chose to literally see all White now he’s willing
to see all black and that’s why the last page is completely dark. Well,
if that’s so hopefully then K will stop seeing things Black and White,
all White and all Black and will start to see nuance. Also, abt the
Tower appearing in the Moon arc, I wonder if these 2 tarots aren’t
linked in the narrative. During the Tower arc many thought it was
actually the moon co
       
   

arc bcs Tsukiyama is associated with the Moon and in U’s case
too we have a Moon-coded character falling from the Tower (plus F and T
are like the 2 faces of the Moon as showed in their birthday poem and
interestingly when one is in the public eye the other is in the shadows:
in the rose arc everyone is trying to catch T and F is hidden while in
the moon arc everybody tried to catch F and T has been acting as K’s
shadow). I also love how the 2 situations are the same but different: F
satirizes c
       
   

T’s arc. K sacrifices herself for T while Matsuri tries to kill F. T
falls with the wish to live for the sake of his family while F remembers
false parents telling him jokes. What’s more important, F is enough
genre-savy he doesn’t resent of the consequences of the Tower bcs it
didn’t matter he was sent away from the CCG, he had already all in
place. At the same time the Moon and the Tower are the 2 T tied to M and
U’s development and to the 2 main tragedies all the cast face: illusion
and loss.
       
 
  

I really like your points about how the Tower and Moon arc are linked in the narrative, and that’s a fascinating observation about Furuta and Tsukiyama as sides of the moon/passing into the shadows.

I agree with what you say about all white and all black; Kaneki-kun, please, for the love of God, start seeing the world in grays.

Which tarots are your fav in terms of how they were expressed in the Fool Journey? For example in TG I loved how the Lovers were represented because it’s a card which talks both abt the search of a partner and so we had the Church arc with both Nishiki and Kimi and T biting K with sexual undertones and both a card of choices and so we had again N and Ki choosing to keep their relationship going, but also K being forced by Yamori to choose exactly like the character of the lovers (which reverse c

may mean inner conflicts rather than external and difficulty to
reconcile your inner union, so it fits K’s thoughts during Aogiri). I
also like how T and hide are the magician and the High Priestess and
connect K to the 2 worlds. In :re I love so far the Tower and the Moon
bcs for me they are the most meta-like of them all. Like, whenever it
appears the Tower seems to be able to stop the natural developing of the
narrative: in the Rose arc we had many characters dying evn with their
arcs still c
   

going and not only important ones even minor ones who despite it all we
were following since ch 1 (Shimoguchi). It appeared again when Kuroiwa
died and once again it somehow put a stop to U’s revelation and harmonic
resolve of his grief over his father for which the Whole situation
seemed to be designed for. The Moon even if its arc is long and not one
of my fav is interesting from a meta-narrative POV and it’s poignant
that it starts with a battle we aren’t shown. Differently from other
cases c
       
   
   
   

the battle in Cochlea was full of important consequences we’re only now
starting to know. Who knows, maybe the Sun arc will be characterized by
the unveiling of this truth we have been taken from like if it was truly
Hirako who cut Kyoko and what happened with Hide in V14. I also liked
the devil with Seidou and Et playing the part and having to tempt Haise
twice to make the Temperance card crumble in the Tower. Apart from my
rambling what are your fav tarots in the Fool journey so far? Meta Anon
     

Hi Meta Anon! I really like how you describe these tarots. And funnily enough–my favorite is indeed the Tower.

It’s. So. Well. Done. And I like that you mention it appears to Urie again during hte Moon Arc, because I remember wondering why we were seeing Tower imagery during the Moon Arc… and then I saw a picture of the Moon Tarot. 
   

Ohhhhhh. Lol. There are two towers on it, and the eclipse was clearly referenced in the title page of chapter 135:

If that 19 was a Sun Arc symbol in chapter 125 (what do you think of that? Was it a 19 or a 16? I lean towards 19 but I can see 16 fitting with the Tower symbolism), the eclipse of the raid then takes over all of that.

Also, Meta Anon, do you think we’re still in the Moon Arc, or are we in a phase in which the Moon Arc and Sun Arc are kind of overlapping (like the Devil and Tower do?) Given Ui’s developments and Mutsuki’s, and Furuta’s defeat (and likely coming demise) but then taking Urie and Saiko’s lack thereof and Kaneki’s still struggling, plus Hide proclaiming “it’s a sunny day” as the first thing he says when that’s a blatant lie as it’s raining, I wonder.