Tag: darth vader

But eren doesn’t seem remorseful for what he does to his friends or anyone. Don’t you need to feel guilty to have a redemption arc? It doesn’t look like he will regret his actions

Well, Eren is most definitely not on any kind of redemption arc at the moment! Instead he’s taking the fast train to SpiralTown. But with Sasha’s death, he was indeed very grieved. So I do think he very much does not want his loved ones to get hurt, but he’s making absolutely terrible choices. 

As for whether or not you have to show remorse to be redeemed… that’s a larger discussion! Let’s ditch real life and discuss how redemption arcs work in fiction. As I was saying in my original post, it would look differently for everyone considering this is such, such, such a gray story. Reiner will never be able to make anything up to the people of Paradis. Annie might be able to. Eren’s probably wouldn’t look like being able to do much at all but be instead an internal shift. 

Like, most people consider Darth Vader in Star Wars the classic redeemed villain. He never once showed remorse for a single one of his actions. He just ended the empire to save his son, and expressed his love for his son. In Tokyo Ghoul, characters like Tsukiyama are considered redeemed, when Tsukiyama never expressed any kind of regret for his hunting tactics. Most characters who are redeemed in TG, actually, don’t show remorse.

All that to say, what counts as redemption in a story is often more catered to how the audience sees the end of the character’s arc. Do they see it purely as a tragedy (Bertolt in SnK, Furuta, Rize in Tokyo Ghoul:re) or do they see the end of the character’s arc as something hopeful, a different choice from the destruction they were heading down? Like Darth Vader doesn’t survive. If he had, would he have expressed remorse? Could he even have? We really don’t know. All he expressed was love for his son that outweighed his devotion to the Empire, when he had previously put the Empire before any semblance of human decency and personal relationships.  

Eren expressing care or love, or an understanding of how much he’s hurt his loved ones, would count from the perspective of shifting the audience, and that’s something I do expect. I don’t expect him to think a whole lot of “what have I done” or anything like that, though, or to earn his redemption in the eyes of the world within the story. 😦 

You know if this Time skyp had shown us to our protagonists in the middle of the war would have seemed something like the advance that occurred in the “revenge of the Sith” where we were directed almost at the end of clone wars to the Climax of the protagonists and the secondary .Now that I think that would have been much more radical but with sincerity a thousand times more epic and if Eren becomes more like his father is to say think of exterminating all hahahahahah

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I haven’t seen that movie in so long I barely remember all the details I just checked, and apparently the timeskip in the movie was 3 years after the start of the Clone Wars. Same as the timeskip this chapter, how about that?

Hey, Isayama is the one who compared Eren’s struggles to Luke’s, not Anakin’s 😛 But Luke was in danger of becoming like Vader…Eren becoming like his father in all the worst ways would be dramatic for sure, and remains a possible outcome to all this.  

I’m hoping for more of a “Return of the Jedi” scenario 🙂

why does anakin wear black for so long even like… before his turn to the dark side

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Anakin didn’t turn to the dark side overnight. It was a progress. The seed of darkness had always been a part of him, and the more he chafed under the jedi doctrine and ideology, the stronger that darkness got. The black-clad Anakin we see at the beginning of RotS is a person who’s already tapped into the dark side and been on the brink of falling to it, long before Order 66 and the padawan massacre.

Star Wars isn’t exactly subtle with the visuals—the protagonist’s increasingly darker robes are supposed to reflect and symbolize the slow but steady rise of the Dark Side (in Anakin) or a progress from juvenile, naive “innocence” to a more mature and complex personality and sense of morality (in Luke, whose clothes also get darker throughout the story, to show a) his personal growth; b) his increasing familiarity with the Force, which is… not necessarily the good and pure positive energy that we might be tempted to believe, but a mysterious, powerful, sometimes dangerous and uncontrollable eldritch entity; c) his beginning to question Yoda’s and Obi Wan’s rather black and white morality; d) his getting to terms with being his father’s son and seeing him as not as irredeemable as his mentors thought. He wears full black in RotJ when he’s made up his mind about trying to reach out to Vader instead of killing him. To get there, Luke had to face his own darkness—and similarities with Vader—and eventually reject it, but not before having properly confronted and experienced it.) 

(tbh I fully expect Rey’s clothing to go through a similar “white ➡ dark” process, even if she isn’t tempted by the Dark Side. In fact, by the end of TFA, she’s already lost her *virginal white* desert garments and started wearing grey. Subtle.)