“Dehumanization is a coping mechanism. He didn’t tell levi ” i want to make sure gabi and falco are safe and secure and close by where i can have my eyes on them at all times” he said it in a sneaky jokey way by first acting like the forest is a hotel. I don’t trust his 100% or think his defintion of eldia is the same as what eren as in mind but i do think he cares for some, he arguably even put straw to cushion porco and pieck’s fall too ” eerr, this is from other anon, not mine.

Oh, now I see that you said you didn’t know if it was from more than one
anon or not, sorry, I thought you had assumed it was all mine.
       
    

Oops, I actually did assume that! Sorry, I was wrong. (I was referring to a lot of Anon messages I had gotten which I wasn’t sure if it was all from one person or from multiple people). Either way, I do agree with what both of you said there.

I don’t know how have people who still thinks that Zeke wants to restore the eldian’s empire. In fact, Zeke is clearly a person who don’t want this. My friend pointed out a part of Zeke monologue in chapter 81:”Fools, still haven’t learned a thing from their past, I bet in the end they’ll be sending every person in the walls on a suicide charge, from their elders to their childrens. Saying if their going to die, might as well go down fighting. WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?!!”. Continue…

Dehumanization is a coping mechanism. He didn’t tell levi  " i want to
make sure gabi and falco are safe and secure and close by where i can
have my eyes on them at all times" he said it in a sneaky jokey way by
first acting like the forest is a hotel. I don’t trust  his 100%  or
think his defintion of eldia is the same as what eren as in mind but i
do think he cares for some, he arguably even put straw to cushion porco
and pieck’s fall too
       
   

For moments like those that I think Zeke is not in favor of
untra-nationalist regimes that send the population to war to honor the
nation(which is what these people wanting the back of the Empire of
Eldian are walking toward). I don’t buy the idea that he’s a revivalist
of eldian.
       
    

Yeah, that’s my opinion as well, though others are entitled to their disagreement (and my anons, whether one or more, have been very polite about it, and more discussion is never bad!) I don’t think Zeke’s on Marlay’s side either; I think he equally despises Marlay and Eldia.

Nihilism seems to be a driving force of his character, along with possibly an ego that comes from his special blood. But it’s also like… he was a victim as a child and how he was brainwashed and what he did to his parents was not something that he is responsible for since he was just a kid. I also think it’s entirely possible he feels guilt over that and that drives his nihilism, but there’s no evidence for or against that currently, so we’ll see.

That’s a good point about Pieck and Porco! I do think that he cares for Eren, to an extent, but I don’t know that he cares for Eren (or Porco or Pieck) outside of how they can be useful to him and his ultimate aims. If he does, I’ll be happy to see that. If he doesn’t, I won’t be surprised, but it still doesn’t make him a soulless monster because if SnK has one point it’s driving into everyone, it’s that monsters are inside everyone, but everyone also has a soul.

Because he didn’t want them to know he cares for these particular kids, they can use them against him

So my question would then be: why wouldn’t he keep his care for them a secret from Levi? Zeke’s also never shown affection to them. I really think that Levi and the SC and Gabi and Falco are more trustworthy than Zeke, whose mind we’ve never been allowed into. We know he tortured Mike and had absolutely no reason for doing that besides cruelty. He had fun destroying the ppl in Shiganshina. It’s pretty obvious he has a cruel streak and doesn’t see people as people in many instances.

Again, we will see. I interpret it differently than you do, and that’s fine. I’m not arguing Zeke is a soulless monster; I find him a highly compelling character! I just think he’s supposed to be an antagonist.

In the forest zeke asked levi if he can bring gabi and falco to see the spectacular view and levi said ” it’s seems like you care for those brats” and said it depended on his behavior. He said his grandparents will die if marley finds out about his little scheme. He does care but eldia comes before his personal connections, that’s how he was since he was a child

See, I interpreted that differently! He also called them “miscalculations.” I think he’s using that to manipulate Levi and unsettle him, since the fact that Levi cares greatly for people around him is pretty obvious. We will see! Either way, Zeke and Levi are both fascinating characters and foils.

The only reason levi pretended to kill zeke was to protect his grandparents. levi knows he has compassion to some people and holds him on a leash using that. he noticed he actually cared for gabi and falco. If levi says otherwise he’s in denial but he knows. Zeke didn’t use rhetoric to get yelena’s admiration, he just turned into the giant monkey that he is and gave her hope

Monkeys are evil. JK but actually, they will attack random people for no reason, bite you, pull your hair, and steal your belongings. They are not cute in the wild; they will hiss and attack you. 😛 Whenever a monkey came onto campus at the school I worked at we’d have to keep people inside until it was chased off because it was actually so damn dangerous. One broke into my boss’s house and legitimately locked her in the bathroom and removed the lock from the outside so she couldn’t get out. XDD (this really did happen).

As for Zeke, I’m not sure if you’re teasing or serious, sorry! I see no evidence he cares for Gabi and Falco and a ton of evidence to the contrary. I also don’t see evidence he cared about his grandparents because we don’t know how that plan came about, but we will see! I also don’t see evidence Levi is holding him on a leash using his compassion; Levi hasn’t brought it up at all and is certainly not manipulating him based on that. I’m sure the narrative will show us.

In recent chapter, do you think narrative approves or not of Keeny’s action? Sure, he was sucidal but he sacrificed his life to save two innocent girls. However, it can’t really be said that he was grieving properly, right? Since he was looking for a place to die.

No, I don’t think the narrative approves of it, though it isn’t condemning Keeny because condemning suicidal people is just kinda shitty. But it does narratively not endorse his actions. His sacrifice was tragically and horrifically futile in the end: he died to join his wife and daughter, but he did not save those girls like he wanted to–and he did sincerely want to.

The fact that they not only didn’t escape, but Kacho actually died, narratively warns against his actions.

I think it’s warning Kurapika and also Chrollo both what will happen if they continue to attach themselves to the dead. They won’t just die themselves, but their deaths won’t matter in the end. It won’t help anyone alive, it will only create one more dead person. Seeking death just creates death. Proper grieving probably means letting go of revenge and of the eyes specifically for Kurapika, and revenge for Chrollo though we will see whether he chooses to let go or clings (in which case he’d die).

i love eren, it must be hard for him to be in the situation he is (with half the people regarding him as a monster and half as hero) but he truly is straying from the right path and flirting with the “dark” side, i want both to hug him and to slap some sense on him, i can only pray that mikasa and armin will be able to bring him back in time before he lets zeke do something stupid, I doubt zeke is working for marley tbh but i doubt he’s working for eldia, i wonder if he too looks for “super peac

I think this articulates my thoughts exactly. I also think Zeke is looking for a nihilistic super peace-esque solution. I love Eren no matter what but dear walls I am pissed at him. 

I also don’t think Mikasa and Armin are likely to get through to him, at least not right away, though I do think something or someone will get through to him eventually. But Mikasa really, really needs to break away from focusing solely on Eren. If she gets angry at him, that might be more effective at getting through to him than a talk right now imo. 

Do you think Zeke really is a revivalist of Eldian and intends to bring Eldian empire back or that he is just acting, to destroy them from within?

I think he’s a lying liar who lies with his pants on fire about being a revivalist of Eldia, and he’s a nihilist who wants to end it all or something of the sort. He’s very good at using people’s rhetoric to manipulate them as we see with Yelena, who is so devoted she treats him like a god, and all the Warriors, and Marlay, and Floche now, and Eren. 

I don’t believe Zeke is acting for Marlay exactly, but neither do I think he has Paradis’s interest at heart. He has his own.  I’ve yet to see him show compassion for anyone (the opposite; he shows no compassion for Annie, threatens Reiner’s life, brutally tortured and killed Mike for funsies, and sees Gabi and Falco as inconveniences), and that’s majorly suspicious to me.