What are your thoughts on recent HxH chapter?

Tserriednich is an increasingly terrifying villain, and he’s awesome. Like, I hate him, he’s straight-up bad, but he’s a good character.

I’ll break down my thoughts by topic:

Melody

This is me when Tserriednich asked for Melody to be invited :

But I’m actually not worried about Melody so much as I am worried for Fugetsu. Fugetsu is with Kacho’s nen beast right now, an embodiment of a lie, and I’m concerned about how that would interact with Tserriednich’s nen beast, if it would at all. I do worry Tserriednich will kill Fugetsu regardless, though.

Theta

Why did I get attached. I find her foiling with Keeny interesting: like Keeny, she was willing to kill herself to accomplish something in this war, but in contrast to Keeny, her goal is to kill her charge whereas Keeny’s was to save Fugetsu and Kacho. Keeny is dead though; Theta is still alive and I hope she accomplishes something before her likely inevitable demise.

Tserriednich

Our favorite evil dick continues to be a creep, but also foils his father here in that both of them recently faced assassination attempts at the point of guns from people they trusted, but were saved by their nen beast. @aspoonofsugar wrote a terrific meta on their basic foiling yesterday here.

Teserriednich’s nen beast’s ability

I’m intrigued by Tserriednich’s nen beast’s ability. It reminds me of Kurapika’s in a twisted sense, in that Kurapika’s dowsing chain detects lies, and so does the nen beast.

Kurapika’s judgement chain passes judgement on the Spiders, and Tserriednich’s nen beast judges those that lie to the prince. It’s not an exact parallel, but it doesn’t have to be a foil.

Basically, I am increasingly intrigued by the foiling between Kurapika and Tserriednich, Chrollo and Tserriednich, Kurapika and Morena, and Morena and Chrollo, and of course Chrollo and Kurapika. A nice foiling quadrilateral that seems to be setting Tserriednich up as Kurapika and Oito’s archenemy this arc (and Morena seems to be set up as Chrollo’s potentially more so than Hisoka). I can’t wait for them to start interacting directly.

Do you think it would be possible to give Hisoka some depth without his character losing charm? Could he work as a grey character?

I think he is a gray character already in some ways! Though I suppose it depends on your definition thereof.

My thoughts are that he is the joker, really a giant wildcard who is just as likely to try to kill our heroes as try to help them out (teaming up with Kurapika in Yorknew, Greed Island dodgeball, provoking Illumi in the Election Arc). A character does not have to be sympathetic imo to be grey. His motives suck and are selfish to an extreme, but they’re also not much different than Ging’s and reflect Gon’s as well. He’s capable of doing good things like in the dodgeball games, but he’s not going to do them because of the stereotypical “good guy” reasons like friendship or justice. He’ll help people out if it’ll be fun for him and give him pleasure. Honestly in some ways Hisoka is an antihero as much as he is an antagonist.

I also think Hisoka does have depth and is complex despite his pretty simple motives: pleasure. You can have a simple motive and still have complex ways of going about it, as Hisoka does. He has an arc: he’s clearly spiraling right now by vocally digging deeper into his flaws, as he tells Machi, and not caring that he’s like, lost a couple limbs. He over-relies on his nen and doesn’t think he needs relationships (he takes what he can from people around him and kills the useless), but the thing is, relationships are what saved Gon back in the Chimera Ant Arc from his own self-destruction so. You kind of do need them, Hisoka, and his lack thereof (and lack of understanding of/desire for) is pretty much accelerating his current spiral.

marrylissa:

I re-watch some animes -’Noragami ARAGATO’ and ‘Youkai Apartment no Yuuga na Nichijou’ and lost track of time because of them! I almost forgot to upload this artwork if I kept on watching the later anime! Last night I was too tired that I ended up oversleep, again… X_X

Still not doing anything for day 19 though…O_O;

For Inktober 2018 Challenges:

Day 18: Bottle

@hamliet-san…I guess I really like your story -The (Mis) Advanture of Goat. Perhaps, because I like the way the story went on especially on certain pairings that I really love…Hilariously, for some reasons the story always gives me some ideas for the artworks, and this one is no different either!

Our investigators’ couple Ui Koori and a heavily pregnant Ihei Hairu went for baby shopping. Ui searched for suitable baby bottle for their future child, when suddenly Hairu happily brought him a long pillow with baby bottle design, and a very large one, shocking him! Made Hairu’s hair a little bit long and in pigtails. She looks cute.

Ui, that’s a pillow OK…XD

AHHH Thank you! I’m so glad you liked the story–it was so fun for me to write, and I love this because it’s so in character!!

Hey Hamliet! Thank you for writing lots of fics, I really enjoyed them, especially the Reylo ones! Just curious, will you consider writing more Reylo fics in the future? Not pressuring you or anything tho. Thanks and have a nice day!

Ahhh thank you!! I am glad you like them! My first fanfics were for Reylo and it is still my OTP. Yes, I absolutely would and probably will write more for them at some point, maybe as the hype starts around episode IX! 

Thoughts on storytelling; the mystique of the master; being skilled at writing and living

studyinglogic:

The character of the master

There are elements of storytelling which I (predictably) enjoy. One is what I like to call the mystique of the master. Here’s the setup: there’s a character – call them the master – who is particularly skilled, whether in brains or brawn, and sometimes both. The master need not be the best, but they do need to be very good. A large part of the tension comes from seeing the master’s plan (if any), how good the master is, or how the master can be defeated. 

For examples, here are some characters skilled primarily in brawn:

  • Ravana from the Ramayana
  • Enkidu from The Epic of Gilgamesh
  • Roland from The Song of Roland
  • Ip Man from Ip Man
  • Levi Ackerman and Zeke Yeager from Attack on Titan
  • Arima Kishou from Tokyo Ghoul
  • Itachi Uchiha from Naruto
  • Yamamoto from Bleach

And here are some characters skilled primarily in brain:

  • Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong from Three Kingdoms
  • Hari Seldon and his “dead hand” from Foundation and Empire
  • Yang Wenli and Reinhard von Lohengramm from Legend of the Galactic Heroes
  • Dream of the Endless from Sandman
  • Light Yagami and L from Death Note
  • Robb Stark from A Song of Ice and Fire
  • Thrawn from Zahn’s work
  • Rommel in popular culture

And, naturally, some characters are skilled in both, the most obvious examples being Chrestomanci from Charmed Life, Dumbledore from Harry Potter and God from perfect being theology. Examples of these masters can be found scattered across a range of trope pages: Xanatos Gambit, Gambit Pileup, the Chessmaster, Old Master, Invincible Hero, the Ace, World’s Strongest Man.

Dramatic tension, the methods of the master’s defeat, and multiple masters

So much for the character of the master; now for the dramatic tension the character of the master affords. The master cannot be defeated easily and in a straightforward fashion; they cannot be “beaten at their own game”; if they could, they would not be the master. Instead they must either be mostly aloof from the conflict (Hiko Seijuro from Rurouni Kenshin), or remain undefeated (like Ip Man), or must be defeated/thwarted because of 

  • factors outside their knowledge/outside context problems (commonly overlaps with Spanner in the Works; Thrawn),
  • adherence to their ideals (Bewcock on Yang Wenli: “If Yang were to ever be defeated … it’ll be by his adherence to his own ideals.” Yang is a man of conscience, much like Thomas More.),
  • some foreshadowed inner failing (hamartia, often hubris: Pang Tong, Dumbledore),
  • sickness which weakens them (Itachi Uchiha, Chrestomanci, “Worf had the flu”),
  • defeat by their own hand/they allow themselves to be defeated (Dumbledore, Arima Kishou, Itachi Uchiha),
  • the mistakes of their followers (Zhuge Liang and Ma Su at Jieting),
  • the mistakes of their superiors (Zhuge Liang and Yang Wenli),
  • guile and deception (Yamamoto),
  • allied treachery (Robb Stark)
  • being outnumbered by an unreasonable amount of opponents (Ip Man’s master in Ip Man: The Legend is Born),
  • being defeated by another master or masters (commonly outgambitted; Zhuge Liang and Sima Yi to Guo Jia in The Ravages of Time)
  • or some other way – as long as it’s not a straightforward defeat. If it is a straightforward defeat in their own field of expertise, they’re not a master.

A large part of the tension thus comes from seeing how the master is defeated, how the master got to their position, and – if the master remains undefeated – just how good the master is. A side note on Thrawn and his defeat by an outside context problem:

Regarding Thrawn’s appearance in Rebels, Zahn opines that Filoni and his crew did a very good job because they not only understood Thrawn and how they wrote him, but that they understood the meta around Thrawn and how to defeat him, which Zahn defines as to throw something to Thrawn that he can’t control nor anticipate.

A second (and even better) source of tension comes in if you have multiple masters in the story who come into conflict. This typically leads to a Battle of Wits. Mao Zonggang notes this in his commentary on the Three Kingdoms; part of the appeal of the story is that you have skilled people everywhere. A few examples on the brawn side: Xu Chu from Wei, Guan Yu from Shu, and Gan Ning from Wu. Some examples on the brain side: Guo Jia and Sima Yi from Wei, Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong from Shu, with Zhou Yu and Lu Meng from Wu. And these are just the ones I remember off the top of my head!

(The adaptation The Ravages of Time takes this even further, and has a group of eight particularly brilliant strategists – The Eight Geniuses – who are best at their craft, along with a host of other tacticians and unexpectedly brainy warriors.)

Other examples of multiple masters come from the trope pages mentioned above, but I will single out two more examples: Light and L from Death Note, and Yang Wenli and Reinhard von Lohengramm from Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Light is an interesting case of a master, as he’s not that good

Yang Wenli and Reinhard are a good case of duelling masters. They’re on opposite sides, both are well-written with well-defined motives, and both are very good at what they do. Reinhard wins nearly all the time; Yang is never outright defeated. Their plans inevitably conflict, and when they finally meet directly in battle, I felt genuine excitement at seeing who was going to prevail. The copywriters for the English translation of Volumes 2 and 5 clearly know this:

The unbeatable magician and the unstoppable genius …

Despite the empire’s superior numbers, Yang continues to outwit its most resourceful generals via tactical wizardry. Reinhard, on the other hand, seeing through Yang’s devices, opts for all-out war. And so, the “invincible” and “undefeated” once again clash swords. Who will emerge victorious?


Problems with writing a master

And here comes the three problems with writing a character as a master. First: creating tension. If a master is too good, they become a boring invincible hero. Second: how to remove the master. Masters typically have to be removed from the story in order for the story to progress. Solving the problems of the story would be too easy otherwise. (Superman stays out of Gotham so that Batman can show his skill.) The removal of the master can be done via the methods specified above.

And the final, most pressing problem: how should one write an intelligent master? There’s a problem here that if you could completely specify what a master would do, you would be a master yourself. (Yudkowsky calls this Vinge’s Law.) Writing a master can be done in the ways mentioned by Yudkowsky and Graham Moore. 

History as a source

I will mention one more way to write intelligent characters: base it on history. I once commented that a philosophical training gives an uneven advantage in debates; when someone who knows philosophy marshals arguments, they typically are not only stating their own ideas but can also draw from the ideas of other very thoughtful people. (See Krister Segerberg’s interview in Formal Philosophy: “If you want to be smarter than Aristotle, go beyond his methods.”)

This is weaponised by Yang Wenli in Legend of the Galactic Heroes. He’s a historian forced into military command; he simply wants to retire as soon as possible. The only problem is that he can’t because he’s too good at what he does; he’s a strategic genius without peer who consistently outwits every enemy he faces. He is too skilled to be left alone. He gains the moniker “Yang the Magician” due to his uncanny ability to turn defeat into victory. Part of the story’s irony is that he’s a master who wants nothing to do with his mastery.

(One of the funniest scenes in the series comes after Yang has just won a great victory. An enemy general muses that after such an occasion – what might the legendary Yang Wenli be doing? Probably dancing with a beautiful lady at a party. Then the scene cuts to Yang Wenli wrapped up in blankets in his room, with his ward telling him, “No, you can’t pretend to be sick just to avoid the party!”) 

Yang manages to consistently outwit his enemies because he’s a historian. One of the themes of the story is that history repeats itself, over and over. It’s strongly implied that Yang is no genius in the same way his counterpart Reinhard is (and he is painfully aware of it, as seen during Reuenthal’s attack on Iserlohn). He is brilliant not because of his own knowledge, but because he leverages the knowledge of others; being a military historian, he simply goes through his knowledge of history, finds the situation most similar to the one he’s in, and applies the appropriate counter-strategy given the necessary adaptations. 

Yang is intelligent in his own right, but he’s also leveraged the ideas of others until they’ve become truly part of him. History gives him a well of other intelligent ideas and strategies to draw on; Yang is a genius in part because he borrows the genius of others. And Tanaka is able to write highly intelligent characters in part because he borrows freely from historically significant people.

Part of the joy of going through Legend of the Galactic Heroes is seeing how history repeats itself and finding Yoshiki Tanaka’s sources. The opening lines of the 2018 series:

If the events depicted here bear a resemblance to anything you know, or the people appearing here bear a likeness to anyone you know, it is but a fluke of history and an inevitability.

Lao and Yang’s remarks during Astarte:

Staring at the simulated model on the screen, Lieutenant Commander Lao said admiringly in Yang’s direction, “I’ve never seen a battle formation like this.”

“I’d imagine not … It’s a first for me, too.”

But Yang’s words were only halfway true. Back when humanity had lived only on the surface of a backwater planet called Earth, this kind of formation had appeared on battlefields any number of times. Even the brilliant tactics employed by Count von Lohengramm had precedent in ground wars.

As the author Yoshiki Tanaka puts it:

When I read about history, I always find myself wondering why a certain person made a particular decision at a given time. I love to imagine alternate realities where things might have turned out differently. In the case of Legend of the Galactic Heroes’ battles I took historical events and imagined someone making alternative decisions, then extrapolated them from there.

To name some examples: 

  • Reinhard’s strategy at Astarte is based on defeat in detail.
  • Yang Wenli’s tactic to stalemate Reinhard at Astarte was common in naval warfare. (From Adkins on Trafalgar, p. 55-56: “A standard tactic was for a ship to try to sail at right angles to the bow or stern of an enemy … vessels were constantly manoeuvring to gain this deadly advantage.”)
  • Yang’s victory at Doria is based on Nelson’s touch at Trafalgar. 
  • The Alliance’s invasion is thwarted much the same way that the Russians thwarted Napoleon.
  • Yang’s repulsion of Bittenfeld at Amritsar is similar to how Ōtani Yoshitsugu repulsed the Kobayakawa at Sekigahara. (Reinhard’s response to Bittenfeld’s request for reinforcements parallels Napoleon’s response to Ney’s request at Waterloo.)
  • Yang’s strategy to draw out Reinhard to battle at Vermilion (if I remember correctly) is a variation of the Trachenberg plan.
  • Yang at the Battle of the Corridor is similar to Yi at Noryang (if I recall correctly).

[Note that I don’t claim that Yang’s way of thinking is ideal, or that it would work in real life – I merely point out that it works in-story, explains how Yang is a genius different from Reinhard, and fits in well with the story’s theme. For an informal critique of analogising and its limits, see Elon Musk on first principles. Analogising from history in general is far more difficult than it sounds, as Carr (What is History?), John Lewis Gaddis, and Holyoak and Thagard (Mental Leaps, chapter 6) point out.]


Being skilled at writing and living

Skilled writers typically craft character arcs. (Exceptions: experimental writing, or writing based primarily on ideas – such as Borges and Calvino.) The simplest example of a character arc: someone has an issue, and confronts it. If a character has no issues, or has issues and never faces them, they don’t have a character arc – and, consequently, definitely aren’t the main character. 

The manga Tokyo Ghoul was widely criticised because its ending left many character arcs unfinished; in many cases, there’s an expectation that the writers will finish their story well. The most recent example I found concerned some developments in Noragami:

Adachitoka are good, guys. They’re just good storytellers. I have so much faith that they’re going to tell the best story with their characters that it is possible to tell, so I have zero fears. No matter what happens, it’s going to be for the best.

Of interest is Yudkowsky’s point on Level 3 Intelligent characters. As a corollary of Vinge’s Law, the most convincing way to make a character a master is to be a master yourself. If you want to be write intelligent and interesting characters, the best way is to be an intelligent and interesting person. Making a character a master is difficult, but it’s worth it. The tension is generates in-story is real – and done properly, it will improve your life. 

And this all finally links up to some advice a friend once told me: to have a good life, make sure you have a character arc. Be the main character in your own life. Make decisions before your back is to the wall. Finish your story well. Everyone has problems. Try to overcome (or at the very least, accept) yours. Be the well-rounded hero of your own story. Try to grow. 

Chesterton: “Truth, of course, must of necessity be stranger than fiction, for we have made fiction to suit ourselves.” And in the same way – if we think of our lives like a fiction we make, we can make our lives to suit ourselves. Being someone skilled at writing our own lives is the same as being able to live and not merely exist. 

[We can write ourselves into being masters, remembering – as Sekishusai tells Musashi in Vagabond – “Invincible” is just a word. Excerpts from the trope page on Musashi

His driving motivation is to become “invincible under the sun,” but the closer he gets to achieving this goal the more he realizes how little the title means … 

Musashi’s driven to become the strongest warrior in all of Japan, and to this end he overcomes obstactle after obstacle, never letting his failures overcome him and always working towards self-improvement as a warrior. It gets to the point where people are taken aback by his unnatural determination, some even calling him foolish for clinging to such outdated ideals. 

After his massacre of the Yoshioka school, Musashi comes to terms with the fact that even his desire to become the strongest ultimately makes him feel hollow, and so his Character Development leads him to stray away from bettering himself as a samurai to bettering himself as a person.

In other words, being a master is not as important as people make it out to be. ]

This outside perspective is reminiscent of a Hamming question I was once told, useful if your life is in a rut:

If your life was a movie and you were watching it, what would you be screaming at your character to do right now?

This is not original to me; I’m merely clumsily restating what Thomas C. Foster puts much better in his book How to Read Literature Like a Professor. In his chapter “Never Stand Next to the Hero,” while discussing why some characters are more developed than others, he digresses briefly:

… we are all complete beings. We have many different qualities that don’t always fit together very smoothly. More important, we’re all capable of growth, development, and change. We can get better, although we sometimes fail to do so.

To put this another way, we are all, each and every last one of us, the protagonist of our own story. Those stories frequently clash with one another, so other people may not seem as complete, or at least as urgently complete, as ourselves, but that doesn’t alter the other person’s reality. 

This post is titled “Thoughts on storytelling” and not “Thoughts on fiction” because I think that these principles are far more general than fiction alone. We make fiction to suit ourselves; similarly, we can shape our lives to suit ourselves. We tell stories about our lives; we can change.


This is an excerpt from a write-up to a get-to-know-you prompt, kindly given to me by @transientpetersen​ and @hardlocke​ separately quite some time before this. As part my answers to the prompt, I wrote about my views on fiction. My answer to the prompt grew overly long, so I excerpted this as a subset of my thoughts on fiction. 

I would particularly welcome critiques and thoughts from @hamliet and @transientpetersen on this piece (as both of them have indirectly inspired parts of it; needless to say, that doesn’t mean that they endorse any of it) – as well as from any other interested people, of course! (If there’s an actual, proper, literary name for the mystique of the master, I’d like to know.)

I quite enjoyed this read! Thank you for linking me, friend. I like how you discuss that literary trope. Often the master is a mentor, who in most stories is set up to be defeated at some point so the main character can take over for them, step into their shoes, so to speak, but do it better. However, sometimes the masters have their own arcs in which case they would survive a defeat to grow. 

A master character is interesting because they might be OP in one area, but they’re probably going to be weak elsewhere, and that’s breeding ground for a writer to dive into. Oftentimes their strengths even are double-sided coins to their flaws: for example, Levi Ackerman is a great character with a ton of physical strength and understanding of people; however, his flaw is related to violence. Master characters are, to an extent, the same as other characters, but they also exist to show the protagonist that no matter how strong they become in brawn or brain, that’s not usually the end goal of their character development. Using the “two sides of the coin” idea of a flaw is a good way to explore this–the end arc for positive development (tragic development can be just as satisfying and usually goes in the lother direction–see Light Yagami) is in balance for the character, often anyways. 

I’d also state that the master character appeals to the common human quest for mastery and perfection, even, and a desire to be unbeatable in something even as there is also a desire to battle the unbeatable, to see if overwhelming obstacles that seemingly cannot be torn down can, in fact, be, and what would happen if that were to happen (like a villainous master character who seems undefeatable vs a character like Dumbledore who is kind of the ace card but then goes down). 

what are your thoughts on nasubis nen beast

aspoonofsugar:

Hello!

I think Nasubi’s nen beast:

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And Tserriednich’s nen beast:

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Are meant to be compared. They are both deformed representations
of a female body and this underlines the disreguard both characters have for
others and for women in particular. Tserriednich’s one is also symbolic of his
love for “art”:

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Inside his nen beast there is
another woman and inside her a third creature. It is as if a mad artist took
several corpses and rearranged them to create Tserriednich’s beast. The
different layers also symbolize Tserriednich’s bottomless potential and his equally
bottomless depravity.

When it comes to Nasubi’s nen beast
it underlines Nasubi’s luxurious way of life. As a matter of fact sexual
attributes like breasts and a penis are present in his beast. It might very
well be an indication of Nasubi having married multiple women and at the same
time reproductive organs being present in his nen beast highlights his role as
a father of numerous children.

So, both characters’ beasts are
representative of their twisted personalities, but when it comes to Nasubi
there is an ulterior group of symbols meant to underline his role as a father.

These two considerations bring two
different things to mind:

1)     Nasubi
and Tserriednich have several things in common. For example they seem to both
love art:

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But behind
their refined tastes there are monstrous people who don’t hesitate to hurt
others in gruesome and cruel ways. This similarity between father and son as
well as Tserriednich’s incredible talent and his obviously important role in
the arc make me think he will soon become the most likely candidate to become
king. If this were to happen then we will have on one side Tserriednich representative
of everything his father and the Kakin Empire stand for including the succession
war, while on the other side we will have Oito and Woble representative of
something completely different. Probably this war will tell us which sets of
values will win against the other.

2)     Nasubi’s
role of father being accentuated as long as what is written when Nasubi’s nen beast
is introduced:

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Makes me wonder
if his beast (instead of being a legacy of an old succession war) is linked to
this specific one since the prayer for the prosperity of one’s offspring doesn’t
seem to fit the princes who wished for the throne instead. Who knows, maybe
after winning one’s succession war the beast stays by his host’s side and when
the ritual is performed again with the new generation it acquires a new
objective and new attributes. I read a post I can’t find anymore (if someone
finds it could they please tell me who made it, so that I can credit them?)
which compared Nasubi’s beast’s multiple hands with the hands which came to
stop Kachou and Fugetsu’s escape:

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If a link
between these two things were to be proved true, then maybe Nasubi’s beast has
a role in the ritual as well and its role would be to ensure that everything
goes smoothly when the succession war is concerned.

These are my
thoughts so far!

Thank you for
the ask!

Yin, Yang, & Eiji

Thanks for breaking my heart this week, Banana Fish. I want to overanalyze the early scene between Eiji and Yut-Lung, because it hurt me.

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I mean, they’re not actually that different, Yut-Lung, but that’s besides the point. Like,  Yut-Lung’s becoming the brothers he hates strongly parallels Ash’s “candy bar” routine at the end of the episode–again proving that to
survive, both of them can become what they hate. The difference is that
Ash is still fighting in some ways and hasn’t resigned himself to that life; it’s a means to an end this episode; for Yut-Lung, he’s resigned to it being his life.

Yut-Lung knows what Sing told him a few episodes ago is true: that he and Ash are the same. But, as he says to Eiji here:

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Is Yut-Lung talking to Eiji, or to himself, or both? I’d say both. He’s asking Eiji to stay with him the only way he knows how (being manipulative) but he’s also talking about himself, and Ash. That there’s nowhere they can go to escape this life they were handed. We’ve already seen how well that worked when Ash went to Cape Cod and then LA. And he wants to know from Eiji: is there a place to go?

In Ash’s death, Yut-Lung sees his own. In Ash, as jealous and hateful as he continues to be towards him, he sees someone who still found something beautiful and hopeful (his relationship with Eiji). And it still couldn’t save Ash, and Eiji is walking away from Yut-Lung, so why continue?

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When Eiji refuses, Yut-Lung is genuinely upset.

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Why do you get to walk away? And why do you get to love someone, and be loved, and not me? That’s what he’s asking. Because both Ash and Yut-Lung see themselves in Eiji, too. They see someone who is scared of living in some ways, but who has the opportunity to do so in ways they do not. And he points to the hypocrisy of Eiji’s statement here:

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What does it matter whether they’re resisting or not, if they’re still dead? He’s again making the point that he and Ash are similar in some ways, and that neither of them are really willing to forgive themselves because all their justifications don’t hold up. Yut-Lung’s trying to again make Eiji feel like he doesn’t belong in Ash’s world, while at the same time pressing him to understand him and also Ash.

Yut-Lung is also asking what the difference is between him and Ash. Ash is someone who directly resists. He fights the system he was brought up in no matter what. Yut-Lung doesn’t.

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How ironic that Yut-Lung is the one trying to hurt himself here, while hurting Eiji. It’s again the different path Ash takes vs the one Yut-Lung takes: Yut-Lung wants to destroy his enemies and himself with them. Ash has a similar desire, but goes about it in a different way because he also has people he wants to protect.

Enter Sing, who continues to be the most mature character and the moral compass of the series despite being a 14-year-old gangster. He calls Yut-Lung out on his suicidal tendencies, almost like what Eiji has done for Ash on occasion.

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But Yut-Lung insists on being left alone. And there’s his answer to why not me: Yut-Lung is still too scared to accept that kind of compassion, to accept that someone can see you at your worst, at your weakest, and still care. Sing is also, unlike Eiji, a person from a violent world too (even if it’s not quite as hopeless as Ash’s and Yut-Lung’s)–but he’s making somewhat better choices.

Fortunately, Sing runs after Yut-Lung.

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I don’t see Sing’s relationship with Yut-Lung in the same romantic sense of Ash and Eiji’s (I see them more in a brotherly sense), but there’s clearly hope for Yut-Lung in his relationship with Sing.

Stray Phoenix Ch 4 “Kids” – Hamliet – Banana Fish (Anime & Manga) [Archive of Our Own]

Chapters: 4/11
Fandom: Banana Fish (Anime & Manga)
Rating: Mature
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Ash Lynx/Okumura Eiji, Sing Soo-Ling & Lee Yut-Lung, Lee Yut-Lung & Shorter Wong
Characters: Lee Yut-Lung, Sing Soo-Ling, Shorter Wong, Ash Lynx, Okumura Eiji
Additional Tags: Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Implied/Referenced Sexual Assault, Redemption, Friendship, Hurt/Comfort, Alternate Universe – Canon Divergence
Summary:

Yut Lung grew up as a pawn in the Lee family. Determined to topple his brothers and grasp a new role for himself, he is accustomed to playing every person he knows. When he is warned about Golzine’s intentions to inject Shorter with Banana Fish, he chooses to free Shorter instead, and then finds himself in a new game, one he may not know the rules to.

Stray Phoenix Ch 4 “Kids” – Hamliet – Banana Fish (Anime & Manga) [Archive of Our Own]

Any thoughts on Shorter’s arc (and death)? That episode was really tough to watch…

It still hurts. Episode 9 is like the Red Wedding episode of Banana Fish. It breaks you, but it’s really. Really. Excellent writing. Shorter deserved none of it

I really enjoy Shorter’s character because of how fiercely loyal he is, and he inspires that same loyalty in his followers. He’s a foil of Ash, Sing, and Arthur, as someone who also knows Ash from his childhood days. Unlike Arthur, though, he’s not jealous of Ash and respects him, and thereby commands respect of his own. Arthur’s subordinates are terrified of him; Shorter’s, like Ash’s, are willing to break into Golzine’s mansion to save him (though it’s too late). Also in contrast to Arthur, Sing will not take advantage of his boss being taken away and running afoul of Golzine, even when he’s given an appointment as boss of Chinatown. He decides to rescue Shorter instead of taking advantage of his ambition. So, like Ash, Shorter commands respect, and it’s because he likely doesn’t ask his guys to go any further for him than he would for them. He repeatedly goes pretty far to save his friends: firstly Ash, and Skip, and then Eiji.

Like, the Lees thank Shorter and offer him essentially prestige for bringing Eiji to them even though they know he was blackmailed into it. He refuses, because his priority is protecting his friends. It’s his greatest strength as a leader, and his greatest weakness, because of course, as is a shared hypocrisy with Ash, you can’t protect friends while you’re also playing with fire by living a pretty murderous life. It’s this tension that eventually kills him.

So basically, Shorter is in many ways, like Ash in that he refuses to cave to pressure: he wants to be free. Yet he’s ensnared in a system that gives him no choice but to betray Ash or lose his sister who raised him, and he can’t lose either of them. It’s these loyalties that enable him to fall into Golzine’s sadistic plans. Shorter’s guilt, as well, is painful to watch. Because his betraying Ash–even though Ash does not fault him and he gave everything in the end to save Eiji anyways–was something deeply scarring for Shorter. To have his loyalty, his best quality, broken by the Lees was humiliating and awful.

In fact, Shorter is used as the ace card several times to rescue our heroes in distress. Firstly, he warns Ash of Arthur’s impending attack in episode 1 and shows up to rescue him in episode 2 (and would have been successful if Marvin wasn’t a little bitch and decided to kill Skip). Eiji and the doctor from Arthur in episode 4. Then Ash and his father in episode 6.

Hence, when there is no ace card and when Ash has to kill Shorter, the entire series changes fundamentally in tone. It’s where I think the characters really start to self-destruct in some ways, but also start to grow in others. Once Shorter is gone, the status quo is too. Shorter’s death is like the loss of a kind of innocence for Ash (yes despite him already being a murderer), for Eiji, for Yut-Lung as well. There is no going back, no way to return to what they had before, and the way forward looks absolutely terrifying.